This one is bordering on scary, and it is from NBC News!
National Investigative Correspondent, NBC News
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects abroad, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.
The secrecy surrounding such strikes is fast emerging as a central issue in this week’s hearing of White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, a key architect of the drone campaign, to be CIA director. Brennan was the first administration official to publicly acknowledge drone strikes in a speech last year, calling them “consistent with the inherent right of self-defense.” In a separate talk at the Northwestern University Law School in March, Attorney General Eric Holder specifically endorsed the constitutionality of targeted killings of Americans, saying they could be justified if government officials determine the target poses “an imminent threat of violent attack.”
But the confidential Justice Department “white paper” introduces a more expansive definition of self-defense or imminent attack than described by Brennan or Holder in their public speeches. It refers, for example, to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than actual intelligence about any ongoing plot against the U.S. homeland.
Michael Isikoff, national investigative correspondent for NBC News, talks with Rachel Maddow about a newly obtained, confidential Department of Justice white paper that hints at the details of a secret White House memo that explains the legal justifications for targeted drone strikes that kill Americans without trial in the name of national security.
“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states.
Read the entire ‘white paper’ on drone strikes on Americans
Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”
As in Holder’s speech, the confidential memo lays out a three-part test that would make targeted killings of American lawful: In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be “infeasible, and the strike must be conducted according to “law of war principles.” But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an “undue risk” to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.
The undated memo is entitled “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen who is a Senior Operational Leader of Al Qa’ida or An Associated Force.” It was provided to members of the Senate Intelligence and Judiciary committees in June by administration officials on the condition that it be kept confidential and not discussed publicly.
Although not an official legal memo, the white paper was represented by administration officials as a policy document that closely mirrors the arguments of classified memos on targeted killings by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which provides authoritative legal advice to the president and all executive branch agencies. The administration has refused to turn over to Congress or release those memos publicly — or even publicly confirm their existence. A source with access to the white paper, which is not classified, provided a copy to NBC News.
“This is a chilling document,” said Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the ACLU, which is suing to obtain administration memos about the targeted killing of Americans. “Basically, it argues that the government has the right to carry out the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen. … It recognizes some limits on the authority it sets out, but the limits are elastic and vaguely defined, and it’s easy to see how they could be manipulated.”
In particular, Jaffer said, the memo “redefines the word imminence in a way that deprives the word of its ordinary meaning.”
A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment on the white paper. The spokeswoman, Tracy Schmaler, instead pointed to public speeches by what she called a “parade” of administration officials, including Brennan, Holder, former State Department Legal Adviser Harold Koh and former Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson that she said outlined the “legal framework” for such operations.
Pressure for turning over the Justice Department memos on targeted killings of Americans appears to be building on Capitol Hill amid signs that Brennan will be grilled on the subject at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday.
On Monday, a bipartisan group of 11 senators — led by Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon — wrote a letter to President Barack Obama asking him to release all Justice Department memos on the subject. While accepting that “there will clearly be circumstances in which the president has the authority to use lethal force” against Americans who take up arms against the country, it said, “It is vitally important … for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets the limits and boundaries of this authority.”
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The completeness of the administration’s public accounts of its legal arguments was also sharply criticized last month by U.S. Judge Colleen McMahon in response to a lawsuit brought by the New York Times and the ACLU seeking access to the Justice Department memos on drone strikes targeting Americans under the Freedom of Information Act. McMahon, describing herself as being caught in a “veritable Catch-22,” said she was unable to order the release of the documents given “the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws while keeping the reasons for the conclusion a secret.”
In her ruling, McMahon noted that administration officials “had engaged in public discussion of the legality of targeted killing, even of citizens.” But, she wrote, they have done so “in cryptic and imprecise ways, generally without citing … any statute or court decision that justifies its conclusions.”
In one passage in Holder’s speech at Northwestern in March, he alluded – without spelling out—that there might be circumstances where the president might order attacks against American citizens without specific knowledge of when or where an attack against the U.S. might take place.
“The Constitution does not require the president to delay action until some theoretical end-stage of planning, when the precise time, place and manner of an attack become clear,” he said.
But his speech did not contain the additional language in the white paper suggesting that no active intelligence about a specific attack is needed to justify a targeted strike. Similarly, Holder said in his speech that targeted killings of Americans can be justified if “capture is not feasible.” But he did not include language in the white paper saying that an operation might not be feasible “if it could not be physically effectuated during the relevant window of opportunity or if the relevant country (where the target is located) were to decline to consent to a capture operation.” The speech also made no reference to the risk that might be posed to U.S. forces seeking to capture a target, as was mentioned in the white paper.
The white paper also includes a more extensive discussion of why targeted strikes against Americans does not violate constitutional protections afforded American citizens as well as a U.S. law that criminalizes the killing of U.S. nationals overseas.
It also discusses why such targeted killings would not be a war crime or violate a U.S. executive order banning assassinations.
“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” the white paper reads. “In the Department’s view, a lethal operation conducted against a U.S. citizen whose conduct poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States would be a legitimate act of national self-defense that would not violate the assassination ban. Similarly, the use of lethal force, consistent with the laws of war, against an individual who is a legitimate military target would be lawful and would not violate the assassination ban.”
Mr. Irish,
That is sadly a good point.
Big Al
Civilization decays……
I would say it somewhat differently, Tex.
I would say that cycles exist and “civilizations decay”. I would go so far as to say it is a law of nature caused by “free will”!
Best to you,
Big Al
I hadnt heard of a “white paper” but I do believe this is older news now. 6 months maybe? a year? The latest stuff I could find along these lines I posted the other day from Paul Craig Roberts.(“we tell the judicial system you guilty”) This is just more police state stuff, ” we can kill ya for any old reason we decide and be thankfull we dont torture you or your mother first”. Interesting to see how long it takes to get into the open, forever if ever I think, some people still believe Kenedy was killed with a “magic bullet”. Like Carlin says ” average guy is as smart as a brick and he is smarter than half the population” I think these guys are powerful enough to manipulate markets. dow up gold down, whatever they want.
It is kind of old news, that is correct benb. But, how about NBC publishing it!
Big Al
You have me there Al, guess I missed the point. I rarly see news on tv, I watch the net. Actualy I dont have cable so I only get 4-5 channels. lol. Good to see info hit msm.
They left it till after the election was over!
Sure they did Silverbug Dave.
The question is, if they had not would that have changed anything. I think not when you consider the demographics of the electorate.
Big Al
NBC can publish it now because they are past seeing Obama elected.
benb…….these people “ARE” powerful enough to do “WHATEVER ” they want……We had better believe it ……The day of reckoning , is quickly approaching ……..& for what its worth , i believe the PEOPLE will win .
Ever see “V for Vendetta”?
Big Al
What are these people in the White house taking? They must be on some kind of drug that is making them dangerously paranoid. Where are the guys in white coats? There is a whole city of people on the Potomac than need serious attention, so help us God.
Maybe that is why there are so many great bars in Washington D.C. Clay!
Big Al
This is the Friends of William Ayers dictating “if they even talk about what we actually did then we kill em!”
Maybe we should take some of the executive branch on a open air tour of Runnymede?
So the 60’s admitted terrorist now have the ‘stinking badges’!
That sums it up entirely.
“The Times They Are A-changing” Dennis M!
Big Al
By the way, I picked up the new Bob Dylan cd at Starbucks and it is great!
Al….. do you recall a post I made a few months back…..something to the effect….
“When will they call us dissidents?”
Well apparently never….they are just going to say…..fire 1….fire 2…..and that will be that.
Why do they want our guns when they have drones? It is like Ray Lewis playing in a Pee Wee Football game…it is just not right!
Al….
If you are engrossed in Dylan tracks you have to watch this.
Feb 1, 1964
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QufmCXbgm-0
Dylan playing his song list in a Canadian lumber jack cabin.
Al, anyone who will know bow at the altar of government is subject to elimination. The constitution was trashed decades ago, even sonny Bush called it “just a GD piece of paper”.
For a list of potential targets, this is where they will start:
‘Fusion Centers’ Expand Criteria
People who supported former third-party presidential candidates like Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr are cited in the report, in addition to anti-abortion activists and conspiracy theorists who believe the United States, Mexico and Canada will someday form a North American Union.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/23/fusion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/
Dennis M. O’Neil – One cannot control and cull a population solely with drones. So Bho has a plan…
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
Do you not think people should be ready to play host when they come?
Interesting your mentioned the movie V for Vendetta
Canada recently passed a law that makes it illegal for you to wear a mask while protesting. It had more to do with giving police the ability to track down people that riot after a hockey game, but I’m sure that is the ONLY reason presented to the public.
THIS is scary , but i believe this is something that we who are awake , have been aware of for quite awhile…..(NDAA)…I read this article twice in the hope that most of it would sink in , & i would get a better understanding of what it means & i came to the conclusion that it is totally open-ended…..Its my understanding , that Every American citizen , could be seen as a target……Just suppose the NRA were having a large meeting , & some at that meeting were to say , things like if they try to take our weapons we will fight back , that would be seen as a threat against the system , & therefore they would be justified in sending a drone to end that meeting……..