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Chris Temple – Post Fed Meeting US Equity Markets And Commodities Take A Back Seat To Recession Concerns

Chris Temple, Editor and Publisher of the National Investor, joins me to discuss the market moves coming out of the Fed  FOMC meeting and press conference this week, and weaker employment data mid-week, where US equities and commodities rolled over on increasing recession concerns.  Chris reiterated the view towards a September rate cut, but that even if we do see a couple of 25 or 50 basis point cuts, that is just going to end up being what Jerome Powell is calling mid-cycle course corrections.   Those investors in US equities, and in particular the small cap stocks that were recently surging in the Russell 2000 index, that have front run these cuts expecting the low borrowing interest rates of yesteryear are likely out well over their skis at this point.

 

When discussing the overall health of the economy, Chris points out that inflation is going to remain stickier and higher for longer, even it if has moderated some from the very high rates of the last couple years.   When this higher inflation, weaking jobs market, and contracting economy is added together, then it feed into the stagflation backdrop he’s been outlining.  If one then layers on the delinquencies in credit cards, the defaults in the subprime auto loans, retailers disappointing on earnings and guidance, and delivery companies slowing their growth outlooks, then the economy could be transitioning into a full-on recession. We also review the steepening of the yield curve, and how as the curve transitions from inverted, as it has been since 2022, to more flat and then normalizing the long end of curve, that can also be another signal for recession in the medium-term.

 

Chris and I wrap it up with a nuanced and wide-ranging review of how this all ties into his outlook on the commodities sector.  He remains bullish on gold, natural gas, and uranium as key focuses for now, and then on a longer-term fundamental supply versus demand outlook the critical minerals like copper, nickel, and lithium. The companies that have strategic partnerships with auto makers, battery manufacturers, or government funding sources are the ones that he is most interested in.  One of the recurring themes in the resource sector centers around the challenges in government policy, permitting timelines, getting funding to the right projects, and the glaring personnel bottlenecks standing in the way of getting more mines into production to feed the growing demand for critical minerals in North America.  Chris also points out that the western nations now need to rapidly play catchup and overhaul many policies to stimulate more domestic supplies or supplies from friendly nations of raw materials, and that all of this is fixable but that the US and Canada are way behind in having strategies that adequately address the future demand needs.

 

 

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14 Comments
    Aug 02, 2024 02:35 AM

    Disappointing Jobs Report Fuels Recession Worries And Calls For Interest Rate Cut

    08-02-2024 – ABC News

    “A weaker-than-expected jobs report on Friday fueled concern about a potential economic recession and calls for an interest rate cut.”

    “Employers hired 114,000 workers last month, falling well short of economist expectations of 185,000 jobs, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data showed. The unemployment rate climbed to 4.3%, the highest level since October 2021.”

    “The cooldown of the job market foretells a possible economic downturn and bolsters the case for an interest rate cut at the Federal Reserve’s next meeting in September, analysts told ABC News. The central bank may have erred in holding interest rates steady at its meeting this week, some analysts added.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/disappointing-jobs-report-fuels-recession-worries-and-calls-for-interest-rate-cut/ar-BB1r5WPn

      Aug 02, 2024 02:38 AM

      The Sahm Rule, Employment, And Recession Indicators

      Lance Roberts – Seeking Alpha – Aug. 02, 2024

      Economist Claudia Sahm developed the “Sahm Rule,” which states that the economy is in recession when the unemployment rate’s three-month average is a half percentage point above its 12-month low.

      With the Fed getting ready to cut rates for the first time since 2020, will the yield curve’s un-inversion again signal a recessionary onset?

      While the LEI and inverted yield curves suggest that the “conditions” for a recession are present, the “Sahm Rule” and measure of full-time employment tend to be the “evidence” of one.

      https://seekingalpha.com/article/4709721-the-sahm-rule-employment-and-recession-indicators

        Aug 02, 2024 02:40 AM

        A closely tracked recession indicator, the Sahm rule, has now been triggered. Here’s what that means.

        Steve Goldstein • MarketWatch • 08/02/2024

        “A recession indicator widely followed on Wall Street was just triggered by the July jobs report.”

        “But the person who created it doesn’t think the U.S. economy actually is in recession right now. And Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell said the indicator doesn’t carry any particular significance.”

        “So, first, the data: with the unemployment rate reaching 4.3% in July, the three-month moving average of the unemployment rate is at least 0.5 percentage points above the minimum of the three-month averages from the previous 12 months. The Sahm rule states that reaching the 0.5% level means there’s a recession.”

        “Unpacking that, what the rule is basically saying is when the jobless rate is rising pretty quickly, the economy is slumping. The three-month average is important because it smooths out times where there’s a quirk that only impacts the unemployment rate for a month.”

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-closely-tracked-recession-indicator-the-sahm-rule-has-now-been-triggered-here-s-what-that-means/ar-BB1r5LMa

          Aug 02, 2024 02:48 AM

          Focus shifts to economy & away from rate cuts/Some notable data points/A lot of good earnings comments

          Peter Boockvar – Substack – August 02, 2024

          On Monday I wrote, “With expectations already priced in for further cuts in 2025, what would upset that paradise (Best of Both Worlds) would be if the economy slows further coincident with a continued rise in the unemployment rate as rate cuts may not be enough to stave that off. That’s when bad news is bad news for stock and credit markets.”

          “It seems like we got a taste of that yesterday and tells me that a weaker than expected jobs number today will not be treated well either rather than cheering the greater likelihood of rate cuts…”

          https://peterboockvar.substack.com/p/focus-shifts-to-economy-and-away

      Aug 02, 2024 02:50 PM

      Having The Fed manage the economy doesn’t work, they got us into this mess they can’t get us out. It is so foolish to pretend otherwise. The Russians have a saying, “If you pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work.” With inflation everywhere and by bringing in a rate cut that will only make things worse. There will be a lot of people doing what the government workers do, pretending to work. When money is worthless what is the point. DT

    Aug 02, 2024 02:43 AM

    What is really wild today on Friday is the huge move higher in volatility as noted by the massive spike up on the VIX.

    CBOE Volatility Index (VIX) was up over 55% early today and is still up 45% on the day.

    https://www.investing.com/indices/volatility-s-p-500

    Aug 02, 2024 02:07 AM

    Good jobs # … bad for miners. Bad jobs # … bad for miners. Eco 101.

      Aug 02, 2024 02:15 PM

      Good one Lakedweller2. That is what we’ve been seeing in either scenario.

    Aug 02, 2024 02:18 AM

    A recession is hogwash, don’t look at the economy through the eyes of others who can’t think straight because they are so heavily invested in these crazy stock markets. You need to get your eyes checked, life isn’t about what other people are telling you or saying, look at what is happening in the real world.

    Unemployment and the number of jobless isn’t being correctly reported, just like the inflation numbers. All the statistics that government reports are skewed to make life rosy, nothing is further from the truth.

    You can’t put lipstick on a “PIG”. It’s like dating the most beautiful girl you can find, if you don’t like her personality, she is ugly. Look at what she does and not at what she says. DT

    Aug 02, 2024 02:49 PM

    Gold tars………. were right 6 years ago…. 🙂

      Aug 02, 2024 02:20 PM

      OOTB! Hilarious and nice callback to the crazy poster here years back calling everyone here Goldtards… 🙂

      Gold has kept plowing higher to new all-time highs, even as recently as this week…. Hopefully he wasn’t tard-y in getting positioned in the “Boomer Rock,” before it ripped up higher and higher.

        Aug 02, 2024 02:06 PM

        EX……….. 🙂