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Gianni Kovacevic – Now Is The Time To Rotate Into Copper Stocks

Cory
January 31, 2018

Gianni Kovacevic joins me on the show again to outline why he thinks now is the time to rotate into copper stocks. We discuss the optionality plays in the copper sector and why copper will be the standout metal in the ongoing shift to electric vehicles. He also provides some information on Copperbank Resources where he is the Executive Chairman.

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    CFS
    Jan 31, 2018 31:24 AM

    Ron Paul on State of Union.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i2k0ESGj5s

      Jan 31, 2018 31:40 AM

      Ron is asleep at the switch………

        Jan 31, 2018 31:07 PM

        He’s asleep because he didn’t fall for a bunch of political sorcery?

        He loses the masses because he thinks big picture and doesn’t take part in the deluded wishful thinking. Knowing both economics and history can have that effect.

        Artsy fartsy Stefan Molyneux belongs on a theater stage somewhere.

          Jan 31, 2018 31:49 PM

          I did not compare him to ARTSY FARTSY……I do not even follow ARTSY FARTSY…..

            Jan 31, 2018 31:54 PM

            My comment …..On” asleep”, was based on Ron’s interpretation of the Trump’s speech, …..
            and I think Ron’s partner was closer to the reason why Trump used the blacks in the speech,

          Jan 31, 2018 31:50 PM

          I know you didn’t. CFS just posted a clip with AF.

    Jan 31, 2018 31:41 AM

    Off topic:

    XAUMF has done exactly what I said it would do and has now probably bottomed…

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=XAUMF&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=13&id=p19420754662&a=565796304

      Jan 31, 2018 31:47 AM

      Gap has been filled. Nice chart Matthew.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:39 AM

        Thanks. I drew that, including the arrows, in December before the price action existed.

    Jan 31, 2018 31:48 AM

    Good interview!
    I know MUX/MCEwen Mining is not just a solid gold + silver producer; they also own a giant Copper deposit in Argentina…36+ years of mine life!!! We just have to pray their arn’t too many coup d’etat(s) there over the next decade;) . Here is the PEA from last September.
    http://www.mcewenmining.com/investor-relations/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/Copper-Shines-Brightly-for-McEwen-Mining—Enhanced-Economics-of-Los-Azules/default.aspx

      Jan 31, 2018 31:52 AM

      +1 confused.

      That Copper project that MUX McEwen has is rarely mentioned in Copper discussions, but it is sizeable and there is hardly any value being attributed to it in MUX’s valuation.

      Maybe that would be an asset to spin out into another company, so it could be advanced separately? Just a thought.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:01 AM

        Indeed…still not a bad way to have some copper exposure; especially if copper flies over the next decade.

          Jan 31, 2018 31:07 AM

          I’ve got a nice MUX position on at present and plan on building a core position with Rob and team for the duration of this bull market. It is well run and their deposits are not encumbered with royalties, or streaming deals, and they are cautious about dilution, and only use it for accretive acquisitions.

          I most like their Gold / Silver exposure, but agree the Copper kicker is nice too.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:09 AM

        Rob is on top of this and will either sell it for a good price or find a partner to build the mine.

          Jan 31, 2018 31:13 AM

          Agreed. For now the Copper project is just hidden value, but it will get monetized one way or the other. Rob does good deals.

            CFS
            Jan 31, 2018 31:35 AM

            McEwen knows that the best way to run a mining operation is NOT to dig anything out of the mine (other than to meet expenses) when prices are low, but to build infrastructure at a slowish pace, acquire other assets at low prices, and WAIT for the good times.

            I have never understood mining operations that pull ore out of the ground at a loss and ry to make up for their losses by increasing volume. Morons.

    Jan 31, 2018 31:50 AM

    Speaking of Copper …….. Yikes!

    Rio Tinto rejects allegation it dodged $700 million in Oyu Tolgoi taxes
    Cecilia Jamasmie | 40 minutes ago

    Rio Tinto (ASX, LON, NYSE: RIO), the world’s second largest mining company, denied Wednesday a report released by a Dutch non-profit organization claiming it had dodged $700 million in taxes to Mongolian and Canadian authorities relating to its Oyu Tolgoi copper and gold mine.

    According to the Dutch Centre for Research on Multinational Corporations (SOMO), Rio and its Canadian subsidiary Turquoise Hill (TSX, NYSE:TQR), avoided nearly $470 million in Canadian taxes by using mailbox companies in two tax havens, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.

    The publication also claims that, through an investment agreement covering the Oyu Tolgoi, Rio has caused Mongolia a $230 million tax revenue loss.

    “It’s shameless tax avoidance,” said Vincent Kiezebrink, one of the report’s authors. “It doesn’t just affect the world poorest, but also regular people in Western countries as well.”

    http://www.mining.com/rio-tinto-rejects-allegation-dodged-700-million-oyu-tolgoi-taxes/

      Jan 31, 2018 31:59 AM

      I see that’s why the social housing in my hood here in Toronto has become a ghetto over the last 20 years:(…..might also have something to do with other corporate collusionists like the Weston’s(Lawblaws), Walmart, Sobeys, Metro etc
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bread-price-fixing-loblaw-george-weston-sobeys-1.4463060

        Jan 31, 2018 31:34 PM

        You don’t think spending billions NOT to build gas plants, cowtowing to public sector unions and having severe left leaning councillors spend frivolously on anything and everything cuz they think it’s a money tree didn’t have anything to do with it???🤔

    Jan 31, 2018 31:53 AM

    (HER) (HRR.AX) (HRLDF) Heron Resources Announces December 2017 Quarterly Update on the Woodlawn Zinc-Copper Project

    @nasdaq on January 30, 2018

    https://ceo.ca/@nasdaq/heron-resources-announces-december-2017-quarterly-update

    Jan 31, 2018 31:53 AM

    Matt+Ex+BOB Moriarty,
    WTF!!?
    http://www.321gold.com/editorials/radomski/radomski013118.html
    Are we at a massive gold TOP and heading to $900. Must change my diaper again;(

      Jan 31, 2018 31:57 AM

      I saw that article earlier today and don’t agree with the conclusions arrived at, but it is always worth considering the bearish thesis and contrasting that with the bull market thesis that started in 2016 thesis and is starting the next leg higher in 2018.

      All I did was pass a little gas after reading it, (no diaper change required). 🙂

        Jan 31, 2018 31:00 AM

        Przemyslaw is far more bullish on the USD than I am, but as for the shorter term bounce in the greenback, that is all it appears to be. When the 92-91 USD support was breached down to 88, then a new trading range and technical setup emerged.

        The dollar will not be breaking out to new highs above 103 anytime soon.

          Jan 31, 2018 31:10 AM

          Gold to $900 sounds a bit sensational, and while anything is possible, it would be very startling to see Gold break down through the Dec 2015 low of $1045.40 any time in the foreseeable future. Possible, but not very probable.

          Gold is much closer to breaking out to new highs, and just got finished taking out the 2017 high of $1362.40 just last week for goodness sakes.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:13 AM

            If gold goes to 900 it will give us a chance to load up the truck before the rise to 5K or 10K.
            And if it never drops below 1250 my truck is loaded up anyway.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:43 AM

            Sounds like a tweety call……..somebody wants to buy some cheap insurance…. imo

            b
            Jan 31, 2018 31:26 PM

            The people calling for lower gold are not as rare as some people think.
            These blogs generally are gold bug buy buy buy so they just seem rare.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:35 PM

            No, it’s not rare at all and that IS a bullish thing.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:28 PM

            Agreed, it isn’t rare to see tons of the Harry Dent types calling for $900 Gold, $600 Gold, $400 gold etc. There were just as many useless calls for extreme bottoms back in 2014 & 2015 and early 2016 as there were for extreme tops of $5,000 – $10,000 Gold back in 2010 and 2011.

            Most of the sheeple and sensational forecasters are consistently wrong and they are just trying to push an extreme example like that to sell their opinions to deeply emotional people that want $400-$900 gold (because they don’t understand it), or $5,000-$10,000 gold because they are doom & gloom financial reset people.

            The difference here at the KER or ceo.ca compared to many resource stock sites is that most of the contributors are realists and dealing with support & resistance levels one step at a time.

            For any rational investor of ANY asset class then it is never buy buy buy all the time, but rather during periods of weakness before a turn higher (like it was in mid December tax loss selling at the end of last year).

            It is more common to see that Gold/Silver “buy, buy, buy” mentality more on sites like Kitco or Silver Doctors, etc… where they have a tie in to selling people bullion.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:03 PM

            There are a lot more credible people than Dent who think gold could go lower right now. Of course their targets aren’t as dumb as Dent’s.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:56 PM

            I agree, but Dent is very visible with all his pop-up adds, emails, idiots that listen to anything he says.

            Jim Rogers was waiting for $960 Gold back in 2014, 2015, and 2016. Looks like he’s just going to have wait longer, and missed the time to buy at historic lows back in December of 2015.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:02 AM

        Ha! ahhhhhhh I feel better now

      Jan 31, 2018 31:42 AM

      That guy is a permabear for some reason and is blind to some pretty basic stuff.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:45 AM

        It pissed off a couple of TA folks over at GoldTent too

          Jan 31, 2018 31:03 AM

          We should be happy on some level since bears do more for the good health of a bull market than bulls do. A widely followed and respected cheerleader gets a lot of people to buy and that is not good. The best bull carries the fewest riders. There are nuances to this, of course, since someone has to buy for there to be a bull at all.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:49 AM

        According to this guy, gold should have been under $1000 a year ago! Here’s a chart he posted in September 2016:

        http://www.kitco.com/commentaries/2016-09-27/images/radomski_20160927_1.gif

          Jan 31, 2018 31:31 PM

          That chart looks very similar to the one he posted in the article above. Maybe if he keeps posting it for a few more years, he’ll get it right one day 😉

          I wonder how that trade worked out for him last year as so far last this year?

        Jan 31, 2018 31:50 AM

        Have to agree with Matthew on the above statement……

          Jan 31, 2018 31:21 AM

          I have to agree with Matthew on about 90% of his statements 🙂

            Jan 31, 2018 31:23 AM

            Wow, be careful 😮

            Jan 31, 2018 31:07 PM

            Watch out Matthew…..next he will be wanting to borrow some money….. 🙂

            Jan 31, 2018 31:09 PM

            That’s fine but I follow the banksters’ rule: Never loan money to someone who needs it.”

            😉

            Jan 31, 2018 31:37 PM

            Ex will be fine if he just bites the bullet now and buys that house in Seattle…..it’s real estate it never collapses. 🤣🤣🤣

            Jan 31, 2018 31:58 PM

            If , he buys now……he will be at the top end of the market……
            Real estate is topped at $750,000, just because of the new tax law…
            and what can you buy for $750,000 in Seattle……. 🙂

            Jan 31, 2018 31:35 PM

            ** I just saw these comments. You guys crack me up 🙂 😉 😮

    Jan 31, 2018 31:46 AM

    Hi Excelsior I enjoyed the silver charts you posted yesterday. Do you follow Southern Silver Exploration at all?

      Jan 31, 2018 31:09 AM

      I don’t know the company at all but the chart rates an easy “buy the dip.” It is technically positioned to turn up easily from here if silver goes up materially.

      http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SSV.V&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=9&id=p12565531866

      Jan 31, 2018 31:20 AM

      Thanks BigChris. Yes I do follow Southern Silver on my close watch list (along with a slew of other Silver Jrs). A few different people have written me in private about it to check out, so I really need to do a deeper dive, but there are just so many interesting companies out there a not enough time to review them all.

      The issue for me personally is that I’m already loaded to the gills with Silver stocks, and am looking to consolidate down the 17 Silver miners that I currently hold into a more concentrated dirty dozen personal Silver ETF. (lol).

        Jan 31, 2018 31:18 PM

        Thanks Excelsior I have built a small position in Southern Silver, and will add to this position along with Impact Silver. I also like AXR, you are right many interesting company’s and I believe with time these company’s will make big money for shareholders. I love your idea of a “personal Silver ETF”. Great concept!

          Jan 31, 2018 31:40 PM

          Yes, AXR is another great company that is going to have a transformative 2018 as they go back into production once again. Impact Silver is a great choice and a company highly leveraged to a rising Silver price, so it should be a nice outperformer once things really get moving.

          Yes, my frustration most ETFs is they very heavy weighting in slower laggards and minimal or no inclusion of many of the micro-cap Jrs. As a result, I still like diversification but in the names and the weightings I like personally, that I feel will outperform the indexes or other ETFs. Also I actively manage my portfolio so if an Exploration company just nails and it and then gets really overbought then I’ll trim it down or sell it, or if a company looks like it will be stuck in sideways action for an extended period of time then I’ll lower it’s weighting or trade it out for a higher torque name.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:41 PM

            frustration “with” most ETFs….

            Jan 31, 2018 31:52 PM

            they “have” a very heavy weighting….

            Sorry for the missing words.

      Jan 31, 2018 31:32 AM

      It is still 50% since the low last month and looks good. Note that, like IPT, it has already gone through a deep retrace of its initial move. (That move was 73% and it retraced more than 50% of it over two weeks ago.)

      http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SSV.V&p=D&yr=1&mn=1&dy=9&id=p23430871190&a=574776916

        Jan 31, 2018 31:33 AM

        It is still “UP” 50%…

        Jan 31, 2018 31:26 PM

        Matthew I don’t think there are too many “eyes” on this stock, I agree with your analysis.

          Jan 31, 2018 31:51 PM

          Why I started following SSV initially is their location in Mexico near (ASM) Avino Silver & Gold , (HL) Hecla, and (CDE) Coeur. They’re in the right neighborhood there for Silver/Zinc/Lead mining.

          However, I’m more dubious of their New Mexico project just because there aren’t nearly as many projects that get permitted there as there are in Nevada, Arizona per say, but I’d need to look into their local approach there more closely to see if they have the social contracts in place to make it work.

          Their Mexico assets are the real prize here though and like most of the Silver Jrs it has plenty of room here to run to the upside. Cheers!

            Jan 31, 2018 31:10 PM

            New Mexico actually scores pretty well for investment attractiveness. It’s way above Colorado and just below Wyoming but not nearly as good as Nevada or even Arizona.

            https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/survey-of-mining-companies-2016.pdf

            Jan 31, 2018 31:03 PM

            Thanks Matthew. I didn’t realize New Mexico scored that well, and just couldn’t think of that many projects there. There are a few Uranium projects there though that have been stalled out for a while.

            Wyoming, that was right in front of it, is a great mining jurisdiction though, and many of the insitu Uranium miners are camped out in Wyoming.

            Yeah I wouldn’t expect Colorado to be too good for mining due to the high liberal / radical environmentalist populace that has a NIMBY approach to everything.

            I’m fine pursuing projects in Nevada, Arizona, and Idaho as they tend to get things done. Alaska is a mixed bag, but there are a few good projects moving forward.

            Jan 31, 2018 31:44 PM

            Colorado doesn’t even make top ten on a list that makes a state great. Wyoming tops it and I guarantee that the 195 estimate for the state is WAY too low. The reality is very easily 20-30 times that number.

            http://reverbpress.com/politics/firearms-per-capita-by-state/

    Jan 31, 2018 31:58 AM
    Jan 31, 2018 31:21 AM

    I believe this is the first time AXU’s 50, 100 and 200 dma are in bullish alignment since the peak. It would be a pity if we have to immediately back test the 200 dma. It would be an even bigger pity of we break below that MA. I get the idea of shakeouts and fakeouts, but at some point price needs to start to trend higher and MAs respected.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=AXU&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p25932969333&a=574775108&listNum=1

      Jan 31, 2018 31:58 PM

      AXU has been channeling sideways since it’s rerating in 2016, and but it has held up better than many Silver miners over the last year because of their fundamental success at the drill and on moving their development inclines at Flame & Moth and Bermingham forward towards a start up of production at the end of 2018.

      Technically after trending sideways for so long a breakout or breakdown is going to be triggered eventually, but it seems more likely it will be a break to the upside when they give the green light on starting things up at Bellekeno in the 4th quarter.

      http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=AXU&p=D&yr=2&mn=0&dy=0&id=p13531366268&a=574775108

    Jan 31, 2018 31:45 AM

    SIL is toast for now. Expect a small bounce soon and then down she goes. I think price could bottom sometime in late February/March. If you look at the monthly charts of some of these silver miners, I have been saying there is no way they penetrate the Ichimoku cloud, and so far that is holding true. The nadir of that cloud arrives in March, and so if this is truly a bull market, I expect prices to finally start rising by April.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SIL%3ASLV&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p29653185146&a=574781388&listNum=1

      Jan 31, 2018 31:38 PM

      Ok, I might be wrong about this given today’s action into the close, but we are still on a knife’s edge.

        Jan 31, 2018 31:02 PM

        I don’t place much emphasis on the Ichimoku cloud indicators, but it is because they are not very precise tools and more “nebulous”.

        The full stochastics indicator at the bottom that is crossing back up, and really oversold RSI at the top, show that things are about to start heading back up in SIL after this recent pullback.