Way over the top. Some actions are simply wrong and this is definitely one of them says Big Al
JERUSALEM — An Israeli court on Wednesday sentenced a border police officer to nine months in prison for the fatal shooting of a Palestinian teenager during a protest in the West Bank in 2014.
The relatively light sentence was handed down as part of a plea deal with the prosecution. The court found the shooting unjustified because the youth was not posing any threat to Israeli forces when he was shot.
The officer, Ben Deri, was convicted of causing death by negligence in the shooting of Nadeem Nawara, 17, who was hit in the chest with a live round. The forces at the scene had been instructed to use only rubber-coated bullets, where necessary, to disperse the stone-throwing demonstrators in Beitunia, a town on the edge of Ramallah in the West Bank.
Nadeem’s father, Siam Nawara, told reporters at the court that the sentence was “unjust.” The prosecution had requested that Mr. Deri be sentenced to 20 to 27 months in prison.
The sentencing comes as the Israeli military finds itself under heightened international scrutiny for its use of live fire over the past month against Palestinian protesters across the fence dividing Israel from Gaza. Israel says it is defending its citizens from violent protesters and a potential mass breach of the border. Critics say it has used excessive force against mostly unarmed demonstrators.
More than three dozen Palestinians have been killed along the Gaza border since March 30, including two 14-year-olds. A Gaza journalist who was shot in mid-April succumbed to his wounds and died on Wednesday, according to Gaza health officials. He was the second Palestinian journalist to have been killed during the Friday protests.
The verdict also came more than a year after a military court convicted Sgt. Elor Azaria of manslaughter for shooting a Palestinian assailant in the head as he lay wounded on the ground in the West Bank city of Hebron, in a case that polarized Israelis. Sergeant Azaria received an 18-month prison sentence that was later reduced to 14 months.
Mr. Deri, who was 21 at the time of the shooting in Beitunia, was initially charged with manslaughter and was accused of deliberately shooting live rounds. Under the plea deal, he admitted to firing a live round by accident after failing to check that his magazine contained only blanks and after failing to load a rubber bullet into an adapter affixed to the muzzle of his rifle.
According to court documents, Mr. Deri expressed regret for aiming and firing at the young man but provided no motive.
The shooting of the teenager, as he strode on a road during a break in the stone-throwing, a school bag on his back and his arms by his side, was caught on video taken by a security camera at a business along the road. The court found that he had thrown a stone toward the security force a few minutes before he was shot.
A second protester was killed about an hour later during the same demonstration, but that case was closed for lack of evidence.
Nadeem’s father, who ran a hair salon, pored over video footage and news photographs from the protest for months and submitted his findings to the Israeli police to help build a case against those responsible for his son’s death. He also allowed the Palestinian authorities to hand over a bullet he had found lodged in his son’s backpack to the Israelis for forensic testing.
soldier at the entrance to her home. Ms. Tamimi has become a feisty symbol of resistance against the Israeli occupation.
Mr. Deri was also ordered to pay the Nawara family 50,000 shekels (about $14,000).
His lawyer, Zion Amir, described Mr. Deri as “an outstanding combat soldier who fulfilled his mission and was there to defend us.”
In his verdict, the judge, Daniel Teperberg, recounted the events of that afternoon in Beitunia. “At about 13:41 the deceased threw a stone toward the force,” he wrote in the judgment. “The stone throwing stopped at about 13:45. Then the accused decided to hit the deceased by firing a rubber bullet.”
“Against the regulations, although no danger was posed to the force by the deceased, the accused aimed his weapon at the center of the deceased’s torso and fired at him with the intention of injuring him.”
The weapon held a live round, the judge said.
“The live bullet fired by the accused penetrated the chest of the deceased, who collapsed on the spot,” he wrote.
Of course, John I can add nothing more to your comment. God bless you.
Thanks for posting this story Al.
God bless you also!!!
Maybe this bozo can’t tell the difference between a live round and a rubber tipped one. I think many look upon the Israelis as the civilized one and the Palestinians as the animals. Most of us would be animals if we were herded into a conclave hell like Gaza with no future to dream of. That existence would create effects on the human brain probably something similar to solitary confinement. Is it any wonder that there will never be any ‘peace’ in that area between these two different societies?
SD.I am sure that piece of poo knew he was fireing a live round.
Great comment, Silverdollar, thank you.
The IDF are a bunch of murdering scum, who carry out these crimes with the blessing of those who control & rule the US. Whats so sad is no no western leader has the gonads to condem the behavior of the Zionest govt. in Isreal.
World peace will remain a dream , as long as these animals breathe air.
Our policy here is to provide, as much as possible, both sides of every story and, in this case , you and Bob’s opinions may or may not show the other side of the story but definitely show the other opinions and that is fine.
IT:
US taxpayers are paying for the bullets and should assume some of the responsibility.
Correct…Robert.
And if we don’t pay our rulers will come after us with guns to put us in cells with violent inmates and if we resist they will kill us.
We are nothing but tax mules for our rulers.
That, Eddy, I completely disagree with. Our Forum is a great example of the rational behind my statement.
Are you saying if we don’t pay what our rulers demand they won’t come after us and put us in cages? And if we don’t resist that they will not kill us? Because I am telling you they will.
I only see one thing to correct:
We are tax mules for our rulers, but that’s not ALL we are.
This is one reason why I’d like there to be discussion on this site on tax avoidance. What can we do to keep our hard earned fruits of our labor out of the hands or our evil gooberment masters?
I have to disagree about sharing responsibility based on pay taxes. Is a little old lady responsible for what her mugger does with the money he finds in her purse?
*paying not “pay”
Matthew…Yes they should share responsibility, they pay their taxes to their Govt, who then spend it, on arms which are then used to kill millions around the world. The American people “MUST” stop voting these murdering scum into office, & they should be out on the streets in their millions shouting……………..
NOT IN OUR NAME.
For the individual it’s pretty much hopeless.
What can he/she do? Vote for a politician like Trump who promises to get the US out of the ME and cut foreign “aid” but once elected then increases “aid” to the Israelies?
Not pay taxes and then have gooberment thugs come after him/her? And if he/she resists he/she is killed.
Write their congress critters? Write letters to the editors of his/her local papers?
None of these things change anything.
The only rational thing the individual can do maximize tax avoidance yet it’s something no one wants to talk about.
And remember, if we don’t pay taxes and resist this tyranny not only will our government masters kill us, they will go ahead and print up money to send to the Israelies and we will pay through the tax of inflation.
Our gooberment masters will make us pay for murder, one way or another and if we refuse and resist they will kill us.
Our gooberment masters will make us pay for murder, one way or another and if we refuse and resist they will kill us.
Is there anyone here who can refute this or refute the fact that their gooberment is evil?
Those who vote for these people share responsibility NOT those who pay taxes in order to stay out of prison.
Those who vote for these people share responsibility NOT those who pay taxes in order to stay out of prison.
The only solution is to hang politicians who violate the Constitution, after a trial of course. Would need to modify the Constitution to add this penalty.
Guys:
If you see evil, you can always stand up and speak out. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
Bobby………….I think the majority of people , those on a daily basis……..do speak out.
Should say…….those who are on this SITE>>>>>>>speak out…….sorry
And that, Matthew, is a correct “voice in the wilderness”. Thank you.;
Matthew:
American taxpayers know where the money is going. Yes, they have responsibility.
If the old lady is mugged and the thief gets drunk and kills someone driving, she has no responsibility. But if she is drinking with the fool and buying him drinks knowing he is going to drive, she is partly responsible.
You can’t buy someone bullets knowing they will use them illegally and not accept you are part of the problem.
I have to agree–those who don’t at least speak out against what is going on bear part of the blame.
Again, that’s quite a collectivists way of looking at things. I prefer putting blame squarely on the guilty. This shared/collective guilt is immoral horseshit.
Robert, buying someone drinks is optional, paying taxes is not. Therefore, we are not buying anyone bullets. THEY are buying bullets.
Should a slave be held accountable for the actions of the plantation’s owner?
Re: “You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.”
That is a collectivists way of looking at things. The whole farce would fall apart and be unable to fund itself if enough people believed in personal responsibility rather than the sacrifice of every individual for some perceived “greater good.”
It is not a virtue to vainly bare the burden of the herd’s stupidity — unless one genuinely wants to.
As stated earlier, voters share some responsibility and, contrary to the old propaganda, it is those who DON’T vote that can complain. Voting endorses those who act on your behalf and spreads the blame when the results aren’t pretty. That’s why voting is so promoted during every major election cycle.
Agreed Matthew. We are taxed yet have little to no say in where that money is going, and what is done by these idiots isn’t something condoned by the worker bees getting taxed. I’m not into the shared guilt crap either, and believe in taking personal accountability for one’s own actions and don’t agree with falling into collective victim-hood or collective shame.
Ex, the reason we use words ranging from hero to idiot for those who rush into a burning house to retrieve someone/something is that it is understood by all that putting ourselves in harms way for any reason is neither expected nor mandatory. No one blames those who were able to save themselves.
Self sacrifice is wrong if the reason for it is peer pressure or any other kind of coercion.
Good points.
Bob, before that will happen Americans have to voice their opinions as we are doing here.
Hate to be a Gloomy Gus but if voicing our opinions made any difference our rulers would outlaw it. This is why we have free speech because what we little people say doesn’t make any difference at all.
I personally believe that our thoughts here definitely get people to stop and think as I did about the Israeli/Palestinian situation.
After all, taxes are “voluntary” according to criminal Hairy Reed…
Of course, Eddy, Mr. Reed is grossly mistaken.
There you go again Mr Moriarty trying to apply common sense. After all wasn’t it diabolical terrorists armed with box cutters and a clever plan that took down two skyscrapers in Broad daylight in the most Militarized Power in the history of the World?
JK:
NO
Another piece of scum, ( known as MbS ) opens his cakehole & spews crap.
https://www.rt.com/news/425521-mbs-palestininians-peace-proposal/
irish:
NASA just cancelled their return to the moon. Any comments?
NASA ought to send the politicians to the moon…and it ought to be a one way trip!
+1 To da moon !!
JohnK….A return to the moon, dont you know they never went there in the first place, it can not be done, & the proof is in the fact that no other country has tried to get to the moon.
irish:
I was never the same after you called me out.Thank-you
JohnK…Sorry refesh my memory , please.
irish:
You were the first person to ever question me about the moon landing.
Common Mr. Irish, that is crazy.
AL….What is ?
LOL.
It IS crazy, Al. But that doesn’t mean Irish is wrong.
I consider it highly dubious that the US went to the moon. Did you know that NASA acknowledges that the original film footage was ‘lost’? ‘It’s nobody’s fault, these things happen.’ Fifty years without going back, when our technology is 100x more advanced now? Very iffy.
We are buried so deep in Pharisaic lies that one almost has to do a Descartes to dig out–discard everything one thinks one knows, and start from scratch.
GENTLEMEN, I AM GOING OUT FOR MY DAILY WALK AND THEN GOING DOWN TO THE SKILLED NURSING CENTER TO BE WITH KATHY FOR THE REST OF THE DAY AND FROM THERE I WILL ALSO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS.
Maybe people could just plain say out loud, so other people can hear it clearly, “I dont support Israel”
In any conversation, on line or in person, whenever the topic is discussed I tell people in no uncertain terms I dont support Israel and why.
I think the place to discuss whats happening in Israel is the churches.
Unfortunately, that doesnt seem to be the case.
The wests thinking of killing children is “its worth it”
Just kind of a tough mindset to change I think.
I personally think that a much better way to put it, b, is “I definitely do not support the actions of Israel. That particular response will generally start a dialog which will get people to stop and think.
Israel Carries Out Missile Strikes On Syria As Government Forces Gain Momentum In Southern Damascus
April 29/18 as the Syrian army is positioning to eliminate another isis and their allies strong point. A deal was/is being made for the withdraw from the area.
Anyone that cant see that Israel supports isis doesnt bother to look.
Israel sending missiles into Syria is clearly an act of war on its part. They definitely know that is the case and don’t seem to care.
My question is did Israel do that it realliation for a Syrian act of war against it?
I just answered my own question. According to Time:
“(BEIRUT) — Russia and the Syrian military blamed Israel for a pre-dawn missile attack Monday on an air base in central Syria, saying Israeli fighter jets launched the missiles from Lebanon’s air space. A war-monitoring group said the airstrikes killed 14 people, including Iranians active in Syria.
Russia’s Defense Ministry said two Israeli aircraft targeted the T4 air base in Homs province, firing eight missiles. It said Syria shot down five of them while the other three landed in the western part of the base. Syrian state TV quoted an unnamed military official as saying that Israeli F-15 warplanes fired several missiles at T4. It gave no further details.
Israel’s foreign ministry had no comment when asked about the accusations.
Since 2012, Israel has struck inside Syria some 100 times, hitting suspected weapons’ convoys destined for the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, which has been fighting alongside Syrian government forces.
Most recently, Israel hit the same T4 base in February, after it said an Iranian drone that had violated Israeli airspace took off from the base.
Earlier on Monday, Syria’s state news agency SANA said the attack was likely “an American aggression,” but U.S. officials said the United States had not launched the strikes.
SANA said the missile attack resulted in a number of casualties but provided no specific figures.
The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which monitors the war through a network of activists on the ground, said 14 died, including Iranians and also three Syrian officers.
Rami Abdurrahman, the Observatory’s chief, said the assault targeted a mobile air defense unit and some buildings inside the air base. He added that it also hit posts outside the base used by the Iranians and Iran-backed fighters.”
Maybe Israel needs to have 100 missiles fired at it to make a statement? At least in this case we would know they were guilty.
Al, Israel attacks Syria constantly.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/10/israel-attacking-syria-171023081211645.html
Have you ever listened to both sides, Al, and then found one was a serial liar, playing you shamelessly? It does happen.
Al:
Of course there was a Syrian act of war against Israel. They defended themselves.
Does Israel support isis because of something syria has done?
Wow these Israeli courts are very tough on murderers. I am nervous about my trip to the Holy Land next year – I hope I don’t get shot!
How the heck anyone can go to Israel is beyond me, that is supporting the murder of children, but what the heck “its worth it”.
AGAIN GUYS, GOING INTO BELLINGHAM TO SEE KATH. I HAD TIME TO COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR EDITORIAL AND I WILL BE ON THE NEXT ONE AS SOON AS I AM DOWN THERE.
INTERESTING TIMES HUH? CRUCIAL TO STAY UP TO THE MINUTE ON ALL INFORMATION.
I’m sure Israel feels victimized by being obligated to attack Syria, so it’s really anti-semitic to even bring the matter up.
If Assad keeps up with his vile insistence on sovereignty for Syria, Israel might even be forced into the uncomfortable position of having to accept more military aid from the US.
We all know how much they hate to take anything that they haven’t earned.
That was lame. Netanyahoo just finished his show. He claimed that Israel got access to an Iranian archive of its former nuclear program dating from 1999 to 2003. In 2007 a U.S. National Intelligence Estimate found that Iran stopped all nuclear weapon research in 2003 after the U.S. had destroyed Iran’s then arch-enemy Iraq. In 2011 the IAEA reported in detail of Iran’s former “structured program”. It agreed that it had stopped in 2003.
All that Netanyahoo now claims to have acquired is old and known stuff. He refers to an AMAD plan Iran had as if that was some new intelligence. But the IAEA documented AMAD and its development in 2011 (PDF, Annex, page 5). He uses the archive documents of known former programs to declare that Iran has cheated and is not trustworthy. He says that gives Trump reason to disavow the nuclear agreement the U.S. and others had signed with Iran. That is bullshit.
I had expected better from him. Some well forged documents or something more dramatic. This was just nonsense.
My feeling is that this was a diversion from an upcoming military(?) operation against Iran or its assets in Lebanon, Syria or Iraq.
The Talmud points out the character of the Israeli Jews quite clearly.
“The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single piece of that literature . . .and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism.” (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, 1943)
“Pharasaism became Talmudism. . . . But the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives
unaltered. The Talmud derives its authority from the position held by the ancient academies.” (Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, 1937)
“The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe—whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists—we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.” (Herman Wouk, New York Herald-Tribune, 1959)
All as cited by Gerard Menuhin in ‘Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil’.
According to the Talmud:
1. Christians are: idolators
2. Christians are worse than the Turks
3. Christians are murderers
4. Christians are fornicators
5. Christians are unclean
6. Christians are compared to dung
7. Christians are not like men, but beasts
8. Christians differ only in form from beasts. The Talmud says: “God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him.”
9. Christians are animals
10. Christians are worse than animals
11. Christians propagate like beasts
12. Christians are children of the devil
13. The souls of Christians are evil and unclean
14. After death they go down to hell
(Rev. Ignatius Pranaitis, The Talmud Unmasked,1892)
Again, as cited by Menuhin.
https://archive.org/details/PranaitisI.B.TheTalmudUnmaskedEN189274P.
I know GH, thats why I keep beating the dead horse with “I cant understand why christians support Israel”
I sometimes wonder if they are not right, that goyim are simply ment to serve.
Just for the record b, not all Christians support Israel.A lot of people would like you to believe that. Especially the Israeli’s.
I keep telling you b………..the Jews have been set aside for now…..according the bible., KJV….Christian pew warmers, that do not study the word, have become ignorant….
Unfortunately there is a strong current of emphasis on faith at the expense of inquiry and critical thinking in contemporary Christianity. Makes many of them easy pickings.
Well said GH.
Well boys, here you go…
ISIS or U.S. Government. What’s the Difference?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-30/isis-or-us-government-whats-difference
Ask…….John McCain…….. 🙂
“Sparta, of all the Greek States, is one that resisted most of all, in ancient times, the encroachments of international money power…”
http://www.colchestercollection.com/titles/chunk/B/babylonian-woe/chapter12.html
Unfortunately, even Sparta could not resist.
Dear Big Al,
Thanks for keeping your thumb on the pulse of Middle Eastern injustices and for outing those pesky Israeli Jews. I had no idea that you were interested in the plight of the Palestinian people, especially with so much persecution and killing all over the planet.
But here is one you may have missed that is hot off the Press. Not sure if this creates the same outrage in you as the shooting in Israel but it would be nice to know. You have to give these ISIS guys credit for some impressive creative thinking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5677321/ISIS-turn-prisoner-airborne-bomb.html
He’ll probably serve less than 9 months in a country club prison if he really serves any time at all as his trial may have just been for show to make it look like there’s some justice in Israel. This is not a deterrent as it’s a gross travesty of justice!!!