Thank you Easter Bunny, Bawk Bawk!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m3eJxZEai0

Actuallly my commet got posted below!

I did Big Al and you didn’t do nearly enough research. Please see my comments below, click on some of the links, and do a little research. It is all a Spring Equinox celebration of fertility, “new life”, and resurrection. Enjoy your flavor of it and many blessings to you and your family.

Thanks for posting……….I am glad you posted……….really…….

oops …..wrong spot

Cheers OOTB, The BOOT, the Claw, the Long, and the Contrarians Contrarian!

P.S. – Please say hi to Frank from moscow for me 😉

Thanks for posting……….I am glad you posted……….really…….

Thanks. Just a little weekend reading…. Ever Upward!

Cheers……..EX…..have a wonderful weekend……..

HERE IS A GOOD READ
http://cgi.org/new-page-56/

Big Al you didn’t do very much research then as she is absolutely associated with eggs, and her son Tammuz was associated with rabbits and fertility. In ancient Sumerian Ishtar / Inanna was said to have ridden into battle naked on the back of a lion and was a fierce warrior, but she was often depicted inside an egg or with eggs, and her son the rabbit.

Ishtar was also known as Inanna, Eshara, Ostara, Astaroth, and Semiramis and the mythology in many older religions like the Sumerians, Hittites, Akkadians, Babylonians, Phonetician/Canaanites is that she was immaculately conceived and born in a Moon Egg. It became the Ishtar Egg. It was a Spring celebration, like St Patricks Day that was simply laid upon older pagan holidays, and like Passover and the Christian Celebration of Easter. It is no different that how Christmas is directly linked to so many Winter Solstice pagan celebrations, and merged with the festival of St Nicholas. As early Christianity spread into new lands, especially by the Catholic church, it often assimilated and incorporated key events into existing pagan events. Nothing new there…

If you had read the article posted above, it one of thousands that agrees on some of the following:

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She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.

She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.

This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Semiramis became known as “Ishtar” which is pronounced “Easter”, and her moon egg became known as “Ishtar’s” egg.”

Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive.

The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.

Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.

The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.

Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-taOzksRVU8w/UnSCMbbwKsI/AAAAAAAAARk/QLEY9vuep2s/s200/goddess-w-rabbit.jpg

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https://joeland7.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/1793e-eastar-istar-pagan.png

and the eggs were used for divination, that might be occult for some people but originally divination meant to commune with the divine. spooky stuff.

meanings of words change tho.

see post above…………

Big Al spend some time doing actual research for more than 10 minutes and you’ll see how closely associated Ishtar and all her other derivations from Ostara to Semiramis was associated with the “moon EGG” she was said to have been immaculately conceived in. It was eventually called “Ishtar’s Egg” or “Eostre’s Egg”.

Her son Tammuz was associated with fertility and the Rabbit. They were often pictured together as noted above in about a dozen links.

It was a pagan spring festival for the Spring Equinox, just like St Patrick’s and Easter are holidays that were eventually overlaid on this spring ritual. Most cultures in the world celebrated the coming of spring, fertility, and even resurrection of their deities. Nothing new about this and it isn’t a stretch, it is fairly well documented in cultures all over the world. The Jews were enslaved by Babylonians and Egyptians, and intertwined with Phoenician/Canaanites and simply wove those stories into their own hero myths of “new life.”

To the renewal of Life and love and prosperity. Cheers!

In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the grandson of one of Noah’s son named Ham.

Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis.Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him “Nimrod.”

After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King.

The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows: “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.”

Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon.

Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom.

Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that could not be found.

That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called “Baal”, the sun god.

It is a very similar story to Isis and her husband Osiris, who was cut into pieces and then resurrected. Their son Horus shares many characteristics of Jesus. Horus’s enemy was Set. Jesus’s enemy Satan. Horus was the son of God…. etc….

It’s all a very old story, but some people of course identify most closely with their hometown team. Nothing wrong with that, but is amusing when they think their culture has this isolated unique story, when all those cultural ideas and motifs have been woven in sacred stories for ages, and often ones much older than the modern day incarnations of them.

Horus and Jesus: the Egyptian Revelation

https://www.eyeofhorus.biz/power-of-myth/horus-and-jesus-the-egyptian-revelation/

As a reminder, the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians for some time and simply wove their stories into their own myths. It’s happened all through time where one culture appropriates pieces of another an makes it their own.

It is just like in Egypt when the moon was in it’s lower quarter (wet moon) called Argha Noa. Every year at this time the Nile river would flood, it would bring the “waters of chaos” that would FLOOD the entire area (it probably seemed like the whole world was flooding). The floods would deposit silt all over the lands near the life-giving Nile river, and food could be grown and sustain life. They had a celebration about this flood called the Argha Noa celebration. The Jews simply retold the story in the Torah as Noah’s Ark with the flood.

** Didn’t you ever play “whisper down the lane” as a kid? 😉

The creators of this hoax, meme, fallacy, hype (you choose the term) have taken a page from the writers of the original Star Trek, where Spock will list four philosophers, three from the fictional Star Trek Universe, and one from earth history, like Socrates to draw parallels and create verisimilitude. In this instance, there is a case to be made for Amun=Amen. But not the rest. But by drawing the parallels, they create a fallacy of comparison, so that the uneducated person will think it is logical.

above is taken from the artihttps://www.eyeofhorus.biz/power-of-myth/horus-and-jesus-the-egyptian-revelation/cle

Jesus and Horus similarities (obviously the myths of Horus are much older and predate Jesus).

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/waterintowine/files/2015/06/Horus.jpg

Isis & Horus / Mary & Jesus

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/waterintowine/files/2015/06/Horus.jpg

Similarities of Jesus with the Gods of old with Dec 25th birthdays (which is really the Sun’s birthday) and resurrection stories and miracles, etc…

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/37/de/fe/37defe51ec2735e51becdf9e1411de68.jpg

Egyptian beliefs that show up in later Christian stories. (myths are often recycled)

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r217/gneiss2007/AncientEgypttheLightoftheWorld-byGe.jpg

Oops. Sorry one of the links above was a duplicate.

Here’s Isis & Horus / Mary & Jesus. It isn’t a mirror match as there were many other cultures that affected the Jewish tribe (like Zoroastrianism and Babylonian and Sumerian) but there are many Egyptian similarities that were woven into the fabric of the story. This is also true of how the ancient sons of god were described in many other cultures as well. It’s what happens when people share stories from culture to culture…

Jesus was referred to as the “chief cornerstone” (i.e., capstone) – a reference to an Egyptian pyramid. The chief cornerstone of the pyramid is same symbol for Horus, the Egyptian god and savior. Like the Egyptian pharoah, Jesus was called a “shepherd” who rules the nations with a staff. Horus was a popular Egyptian god who was the son of Osiris and Isis. Osiris and Horus were both solar deities. Osiris was the setting sun, Horus the rising sun. Jesus is the rising Son and the morning star. The pharoah was considered to be an incarnation of Horus (also known as “Amen-Ra,” the sun god). In the same way, Jesus is considered to be the incarnation of his heavenly Father. Horus was the “lamb of God” who took away the sins of the world. Horus had an adversary named “Set”. Jesus’ adversary was “Satan”.

The story of Horus can be found in “The Egyptian Book of the Dead” (also known as the “Papyrus of Ani”) written over 3,000 years before the birth of Christ.

(More similarities follow)

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrBT4C9HsBaYkIA1mdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdWd2cWI5BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxMAR2dGlkAwRzZWMDc3I-?qid=20090730102525AAnrkwd&p=similarities%20of%20horus%20and%20jesus#

It’s the same with Mithraic beliefs overlapping with Christian beliefs and
so on… That is what what happens when people traveling the world and telling stories in different cultures utilize plot devices for the divine and keep layering them over different dieties.

http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html

Mithra / Horus / Osirus / Dionysus / Tammuz / Adonis /Zoroaster / Perseus / Krishna all predate the Jesus story and it is easy to see where ideas were borrowed and laid upon the life of Yeshua ben Josef (Joseph). It really is more of a compliment than a put down.

It was not an uncommon thing to do in those times of oral traditions to take a key character in another story and give those same attributes to the new character. We see the same thing in modern day story-telling and films all the time.

Now obviously these stories and parallels between different deities are not going to be mirror matches, or match on every single line item, as some of the stories are separated by hundreds or thousands of years, but the essence is there.

* The key takeaway is that there must have been something very special about Yeshua to have caused ancient peoples to equate to his life with the same kinds of divine stories of old and it is still resonating with people today.

Peace and love to all on this Easter / Passover weekend.

knows….not know…….sorry

DEBUNKED>>>>>>>
https://strangenotions.com/horus-manure/

Horus Manure: Debunking the Jesus/Horus Connection

But the early Christians, even if they had wanted to base the Gospels on the Horus myths, would have had no way to do so. They might have known what was believed about Horus in the Egypt of their day, but they would have had no access to the endless variations of the stories that laid buried in the sands until archaeologists started digging them up in the 1800s.

Wonder who invented EGGNOG…….. 🙂

Of course there are people that post things that may have errors, and then the panicked debunkers come out an only harp on those few inaccuracies (ignoring all the blatant similarities). The point is that there are about 16 deities from cultures much older than Christian beliefs that have Dec 25th birthdays, important stars in the sky to mark their births, resurrection and ascension stories, miracles worked, 12 apostles or helpers (that match the 12 houses of the zodiac), etc… etc… The point is this is all the greatest story ever sold…. I mean told.

We see the exact same reactions with any polarizing point that people make these days. Think about the 911 truthers versus debunkers, Uranium One scandal true believers vs debunker, or Fast & Furious, or Benghazi etc…. Each side presents a compelling case where there is too much smoke not to be a fire, and the debunkers use whatever nitpicking possible to try to discredit the entire point, (missing the forest [major point] because of getting stuck behind a few trees [minutiae of certain details] )

What happens all through history is a truth bomb drops like “The Sun is the center of our Solar System not the Earth” and people go out of their way to tear it down, or find fault with little nuances.

People have been killed or jailed or tortured for presenting ideas that were not popular with the masses (including Jesus), and so any controversial idea goes through 3 stages:

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer

Mithra / Horus / Osirus / Dionysus / Tammuz / Adonis /Zoroaster / Perseus / Krishna all predate the Jesus story and it is easy to see where ideas were borrowed and laid upon the life of Yeshua ben Josef (Joseph).

It was not an uncommon thing to do in those times of oral traditions. No they are not going to be mirror matches as some of the stories are separated by hundreds or thousands of years, but the essence is there. The takeaway is that there must have been something special about Yeshua to have caused people to equate to his life the same kinds of divine stories of old and it is still resonating with people today.

Peace and love to all on this Easter / Passover weekend.

Not necessarily a “mansion” but biblically called “My Father’s House”

You are a bright guy B!

John 14:2 ►

King James Version
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

There is no question that a majority of these practices have their origins in pagan customs. These customs were assimilated into Christian practices throughout the early centuries of the church. Alexander Hislop and Ralph Woodrow1 chronicled the insertion of these practices into the life of the church, especially appearing in the modern rituals of the Roman Catholic and other churches. The celebrations linked to the Catholic Church calendar are admittedly tied to pagan celebrations. Though there are problems with the reasoning in the writings of Hislop and Woodrow, many of their ideas regarding the symbols attached to Easter are confirmed, even by the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Under the discussion of Easter in the Catholic Encyclopedia, we find statements like the following:

The [use of Easter eggs] may have its origin in paganism, for a great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring.

The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility. The Easter fire . . . is a custom of pagan origin in vogue all over Europe, signifying the victory of spring over winter. . . . The Church adopted the observance into the Easter ceremonies, referring it to the fiery column in the desert and to the Resurrection of Christ.2

As the church spread throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, it appears that the customs of various seasons and festivals were co-opted and incorporated into Christian practices.

Not to be confused with New Catholic Encyclopedia.

The Catholic Encyclopedia: An International Work of Reference on the Constitution, Doctrine, Discipline, and History of the Catholic Church,[1] also referred to as the Old Catholic Encyclopedia and the Original Catholic Encyclopedia,[2] is an English-language encyclopedia published in the United States and designed to serve the Roman Catholic Church. The first volume appeared in March 1907 and the last three volumes appeared in 1912, followed by a master index volume in 1914 and later supplementary volumes. It was designed “to give its readers full and authoritative information on the entire cycle of Catholic interests, action and doctrine”.

Military Might….change the early Church…..wonder why we have separation of church and state.
Sadly, on a broader scale, the abandonment of the observance of God’s holy days has contributed to this greatly. Understanding the additional holy days throughout the year, their enriched meanings and sequence they portray, would clarify how each step in the salvation/atonement process is remarkably explained for our understanding and spiritual appreciation.

SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFYING WHO MADE THE CHANGE
After the Council of Nicaea, the Roman government became more entangled with the ecclesiastical matters of the Church, derailing it further from the original intent by multiple means. “Emperor Theodosius (A.D. 78-398) made Christianity the State Religion of the Roman Empire, and made church membership compulsory. This was the worst calamity that has ever befallen the Church. The forced conversion filled the churches with unregenerate people.. Christ had designed to conquer by purely spiritual and moral means. Up to this time conversion was voluntary, a genuine change in heart and life. But now the military spirit of Imperial Rome had entered the Church. The Church had conquered the Roman Empire. But in reality the Roman Empire had conquered the Church, by making the Church over into the image of the Roman Empire. The Church had changed its nature, had entered its great Apostasy (2 Thessalonians 2: 1-12), had become a political organization in the Spirit and pattern of Imperial Rome, and took its nose-dive into the millennium of Papal abominations. The Imperial Church of the 4th and 5th centuries had become an entirely different institution from the persecuted Church of the first three centuries. In its ambition to rule it lost and forgot the Spirit of Christ” (Halley’s Bible Handbook, “Paganization of the Church,” p. 760).

Regrettably, the combination of Rome’s secular power and the integration of fertility symbols and observances, adopted from many of the existing pagan religions that saturated Rome, took its toll; and by means of forced compliance and/or persecution, marginalized the true Church, reducing its influence. Notice again, “Conversion of the Barbarians, the Goths, Vandals, and Huns who overthrew the Roman Empire accepted Christianity; but to a large extent their conversion was nominal and this further filled the Church with pagan pr

filled the Church with pagan practices.

much of the church just wove pagan stories and practices into their own. It is a 2 way street of multiple cultures in the ancient world influencing each other. Such is life….

Colossians 2:8-23 King James Version (KJV)
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

It certainly is appropriate and does not take away from the original story, Excelsior.

It’s a whirlwind out there Big Al.

uh-oh!

https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/20150111__FE12SMFUTURE3p1.jpg?w=654&h=483

Holy smoke, Mr. Tracy!

One thing I forgot to mention about the English healthcare system is that there is a private system which exists outside of the NHS. This is used by wealthy people.
There are even systems which utilize NHS services, but allow queue jumping for as low as 5 pounds a month.

I have never owned a cell phone or a wireless phone. They cause cancer of the brain and thyroid.

Bonzo, I not totally sure cell phones have enough power to cause cancer, yet.

Certainly the cumulative effect, and also going to higher frequencies with 5G is a cause for concern. I personally believe it is not necessary to expose oneself to significant extra risk until there is definitive proof. I have worked with pulse X-band (9.375 GHz) ex US naval radar, and the danger has been studied for over 50 years. There really is no definitive proof, I believe, either way.
Having said that, I have to point to myself as a cancer victim. (But then working with design and fabrication of silicon and gallium arsenide circuits, I also encountered a lot of benzene ring compounds, e.g. toluene and other cleaning solvents, which are known carcinogens.)

By the way the pulsed radar was operating at KWs with a 10^-4 duty cycle, so exposure was many orders of magnitude greater than cell phone levels.

Imagine the difference in our electromagnetic environment now vs 20 or 30 years ago.

We are electrochemical beings, and EMF fields unavoidably affect every cell in our body. Whether this is powerful enough to negatively impact our health, I don’t KNOW, but I suspect so and lean toward caution.

https://www.amazon.com/Electromagnetic-Fields-Consumers-Protect-Ourselves/dp/0595476074/

https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Currents-Electropollution-Promise-Electromedicine/dp/0874776090/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/pathophysiology/vol/16/issue/2

chnage “Whether this is powerful enough to negatively impact our health”

to

“whether cell phone, wi-fi, and other new sources of EMFs are powerful enough to negatively impact our health”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/03/31/emf-exposure-wireless-technology.aspx

Catherine Austin-Fitts’ mention of mind control by 5g struck me as far out, but she’s no fool, so I looked into it.

An intro to the idea:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mind-control-by-cell/

EEG Changes Due to Experimentally Induced 3G Mobile Phone Radiation

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0129496

http://www.bioinitiative.org/cell-phone-radiation-study-confirms-cancer-risk/

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so dyodd, but here is an interesting annotated summary of studies here:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-frightening-science-and-politics-of-cell-phone-safety-electromagnetic-waves-and-the-health-impacts-of-wireless-devices/5502912

The following effects are listed:

–According to research, radiation from cell phones is more easily absorbed by children than adults.

–A Danish study surveying more than 13,000 children found an 80% increase the likelihood of behavioral problems among children who use cell phones and whose mothers used cell phones during pregnancy.

–Research indicates that long-term cell phone users run a significantly elevated risk of developing glioma, a brain tumor that is often cancerous. The research discovers the tumors usually appearing on the side of the head favored during cell phone conversations.

–Long-term exposure to cell phone radiation is linked with a 60% higher risk of developing a condition known as acoustic neuroma, a benign brain tumor.

–Heavy cell phone use increases the risk of benign salivary gland tumors by 60%.

–Radiation from cell phones produces reactive oxygen species, which may contribute to DNA damage resulting in inflammatory conditions such as cancer and heart disease.

–Brain cancer risk tripled among individuals who used cell phones for more than 15 hours monthly.

–The close proximity of cell phones carried in pant pockets to reproductive organs have led many to suspect a link between cellular radiation and infertility. Several studies point to the damaging effects of cell phone radiation on sperm:

–Higher cell phone use linked with lower sperm quality.

–Cell phone use associated with decreased sperm motility.

–Men who used cell phones for more than four hours daily found to have lower sperm quality and 42% lower sperm count compared to those who didn’t use cell phones.

–Cell phone wave exposure appears to decrease the potential for fertilization in semen samples.

–Cell phone use linked with erectile dysfunction.

–Electromagnetic frequencies from cell phones alter brain tissue activity by increasing glucose metabolism.

–Yale University researchers show that mice exposed to cell phone radio frequencies in utero exhibited impaired memory and hyperactivity.

–Thirty minutes of cellphone use causes spontaneous low-frequency fluctuations in the brain.

–Cellphone use may interfere with brain sleep patterns.

–Exposure to electromagnetic cell phone frequencies damages fetal brains in study on rats.

he,he,ha,ha………I do not carry a mobile phone, and have not for 15 yrs……when everyone got one…..I stopped using one on a daily basis…..only, people who call you are the ones who want something…… 🙂

GH, I do have a Ph.D. in physics and have taught in physics and Electrical Engineering at university level all my working life.
I am wary of non-scientific journals when they report scientific results.
Results often depend on strength of fields, specific data and interpretation thereof.
I believe damage due to electrical fields is possible. But it depends on type and dose exposure specifics. Caution is always wise.
It is what you don’t know you don’t know that always gets you in the end.

+1 DT. – THX 1138 is a great film!

I saw THX 1138 in 1971 starring a young Robert Duval.

The original THX 1138 was actually George Lucas’s 15 minute college film project that inspired Francis Ford Coppola’s new film company Zoetrope to make the full length film (which flopped in theaters).

I still like this original version of it personally, and it is right up DT’s alley:

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1967 – Electronic Labyrinth THX 1138 4EB – short Movie – George Lucas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB3fbtUYgRE

…. and now a nod back to full length feature film that followed:

THX 1138 (1971) Official Trailer – George Lucas, Robert Duvall Movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHgqfVQWv7s

I just realized that if someone just watched that original college film, and only saw the trailer that the true importance of this film wouldn’t really shine through as a critique on surveillance, consumerism, the disconnection from the natural world and natural cycles, the drugging of society into submission, the reproductive controls, etc…

* Here is the Making of THX 1138 but the commentary speaks volumes about what we are seeing now with governments spying on their citizens, the Facebook and Google data collection, and on and on… Still very topical 50 years later!

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The Making of THX 1138.avi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD59baXLnsI

No, CFS, that was Richard the 3rd. I don’t think we know where the Lionheart rests, but I am not sure.

Richard Lionheart’s body is at Fontevraud Abbey in France and his heart is in Rouen Cathedral.

Now I remember…the Hunchback!

I have always assumed the lionheart was killed in the crusades or while going to or from. I remember John (his brother) was a terrible king….which led eventually to the Magna Carta.

Easy enough to look up though. Richard ! was buried in ‎Fontevraud Abbey‎, Anjou, France
His Mother was‎ ‎Eleanor of Aquitaine, which might be why, but I did not look that up.

the real Rocketman

CIA Admits Long Relationship With WWII German Gen. Reinhard Gehlen

By Maria Alvarez – The New York Post

“The Central Intelligence Agency has for the first time confirmed that a high-ranking Nazi general placed his anti-Soviet spy ring at the disposal of the United States during the early days of the Cold War.”

The National Archives said in a release Wednesday that the CIA had filed an affidavit in U.S. District Court “acknowledging an intelligence relationship with German General Reinhard Gehlen that it has kept secret for 50 years.”

“Gehlen was Hitler’s senior intelligence officer on the Eastern Front during the war and transferred his expertise and contacts to the U.S. as World War II reached its climax. While Gehlen’s relationship with U.S. intelligence during the 1940s and 1950s has been the topic of some five books over the years, the eventual release of CIA documents pertaining to the development of his European spy ring could shed new light on the origins of the Cold War and early U.S. espionage efforts against Moscow.”

http://www.rense.com/general4/gends.htm

Dr. Mengele and known Nazis working on human experimentation, I don’t think, were knowingly brought into the U.S..
Israeli Jews, for a long period, went through old records and tracked down as many such people as possible. Germans have been notorious for record keeping! Even East German Stasi records still exist.

Loftus was involved in tracking Nazis, I believe.

From what I recall of video presentations I have listened to by him, quite a number were brought in and all tracks erased.

The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defense against the Arabs Palestinians…. thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground called the Irgun led by Menachem Begin (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides fighting the Arabs, the Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab British. Finally in 1947 the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the United Nations.
The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 18% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted… the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine… both east AND west of the Jordan River.

UN Resolution 181 was never fully implemented. The rest of Israel has been determined by war, rightly or wrongly.

The problem is people take parts of the story……very rarely include ALL the story.

Do I have prejudice? Yes, I believe the Jews deserve a right to a homeland, within Palestine. I am prepared to attempt to honestly debate what is and what is not Palestine, and what should be taken as what should reasonably be used as land for Palestinans and Jews.
But let’s argue facts not erroneous assumptions and half-truths.

Like I said in a previous comment…. (speaking on average)….Jews tend to be smart and hard-working and clannish.
That allows them to rise disproportionately to places of influence, in any country.

I would debate whether many are directly influence by the government of Israel.

Have atrocities been carried out by Israel? Of course.
But at the same time, I recognize their history and the effect it must have had on the nation.

Rightly or wrongly, I understand they believe they have a right to exist.
I understand, therefore, their actions most of the time.
Does every Jew behave ethically and morally all the time? No.
Most of the time? Maybe, but their bias always seems tilted towards Israel.

Criticizing them does not equal denying their right to exist, CFS.

If Israel had not always had the overwhelming force of the United States at its back, it could not have taken the extreme tack that it has. Now we have 70 years of bad blood and encroachment, and of course it is a difficult problem to solve–as has been the intent of establishing ‘facts on the ground’.

Their right to exist does not give them the right to subvert the US political system. Yes, they are very active, bright, energetic, etc. But it has been far more than that.

How you can refuse to connect Israel’s undue influence over US politics, the past 30 years of pointless wars, and the facts that our media and financial sectors, as well as many others are controlled by them?

You have previously obfuscated regarding the media control issue. So what am I to think of you? It is a fact. And it is a no-brainer that the negative tendencies in the US today could not happen without the complicity of the mass media. It is an easily demonstrable fact that the mass media is waging a war against traditional, white, Christian culture, but also against all Americans, as we sink in debt, degeneracy, depression, drugs. Covering for these arch-criminals does you no credit, and doesn’t help Jews. Like Michael Berg said, Jews need to say ‘these criminals do not represent me.’

You can blame it on the Liberals. They can blame it on the Rich. Neither of which gets us anywhere in identifying those truly responsible for what is going wrong in the US, which is fundamental to countering what they are doing and preserving our culture.

GH, I wish there was search capability within Kereport.

During the entire Obama administration I complained about debt and destruction of the anglo-saxon culture.

Prior to that I complained about the Iraq war, especially the necessity of Iraq II.

I have given Trump a temporary break to some extent until he has clear policy.
(Although I have called him an amateur and behaving like a New York Democrat.)
I have conservative bias; I know and admit that, but I’m always willing to accept logical argument, I hope, with an open analytical mind.

GH, Have you actually studied the borders of Palestine in the 20th century?

See above for maps, comments etc.

“During the entire Obama administration I complained about debt and destruction of the anglo-saxon culture.

Prior to that I complained about the Iraq war, especially the necessity of Iraq II.”

I don’t doubt that, CFS, but you refuse to diagnose the causes of these problems.

Since you ask, I will try to respond to “where are “Palestinians from”

There is no simple answer.
Many trace back part of the ancestors to the area of land now Israel. But many the people displaced by the creation of Israel were often nomadic tribesmen, not of a fixed origin. Most Arabs owning land and property in the location of Israel did not leave, but quasi-integrated into the state. I say quasi-integrated because Muslims and Christians never really integrated with Jews. I am not trying to say the Israel state is not partly authoritarian or without religious prejudice, but mostly tolerant.
One thing which is clearly observable…..for anyone who cares to travel with open eyes, is that Israelis are tremendously industrious. Nature did not change the geology all that much as one goes around from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc., but the Israelis have put a lot of effort into changing their country and its agricultural productivity.
Egypt relied on the annual flooding of the Nile, but Israel create modern desalination plants and created agriculture by hard effort. Jews, tend to be frugal. clannish and cheap by nature, but (always talking on average, of course) tend to work hard and it shows throughout the world.
That is probably why they tend to rise to the top of many countries disproportionately.
(And probably why there is so much hatred towards the “Jews”.)
But I digress. Where do the Palestinians come from…
Most were born and raised in the Palestinian state, including the Gaza strip. some have come from Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian ancestors. It was always beneficial for organizations like Hamas to stir up hatred, while the corrupt leadership fleeced the population out of aid given by the Western world. It was always beneficial for the “Palestinian” leadership to indoctrinate that hatred into schooling, but the real problem has been rate of population growth in limited land area and squandering of resources given by the West.
Finding a solution is way above my pay grade, if even possible.

Khazarians, CFS?

You talk about two sides disagreeing, who’s right?

I find that those willing to engage in frank, good-faith debate with all facts on the table tends to be in the right much more often than those who aren’t.

If you were actually willing to acknowledge any of their transgressions you might have more credibility.

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/55Judaism/ElhaikEAshkenazimEn.htm

GH, I’m trying to get to a starting point for rational discussion.

I’m not saying I’m tight. In the case of Khazarians, I’m saying is that the starting point of Jews? Or is it Judea? Or is it Israelites?

Then what about the black Jews of Abyssinia?

CFS’s “when I see anyone attacked by virtue of belonging to a race or group”

is just a low-key version of accusing any Israel critic of being

“Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

Personally, I’m sick of the smear.

CFS……..remember there are 12 (Jewish )..TRIBES……

There are no shortage of Jews who share my point of view.

Some of them were sent to their deaths by Zionists.

https://www.henrymakow.com/2013/11/Zionists-Sacrificed-Jews-in-Holocaust%20.html

Agree with Makow or not, his theories compel consideration.

As far as ancestry goes, EVEN IF they were the pure genetic descendants to a 1900-year old land claim, I would not support it.

The Khazarian angle only serves to weaken an already exceedingly weak claim.

In theory I think most can sympathize with Jews for wanting their own country. But the execution is inconscionable, and whatever high ideals may have been there once upon a time are long gone.

Finally, CFS, a number of us here have made it very clear, with all kinds of evidence, that there is a ‘Judeo-Masonic Mafia’ that is the driving force behind any number of the negative tendencies noted regularly at KER. The point being EXACTLY that we DON’T condemn all Jews. How many times do we have to make this point only to meet the same old crooked refrain?

So who built the Temple of Solomon? Non-Israelites?

All in the bible……if, you need help let me know……

All this history lesson is going to come right back around ….and answer many of the questions of today…..if, some would read the scriptures….

I prefer in multi-sourcing, Jerry. It’s that old problem of verification, again.

One of your question , concerning the temple….remember David, and Soloman were related…….There are 12 tribes……., one of which Dave and , Soloman,….( Jesus is of the same tribe )…. were attributed to building the TEMPLE.

You are going to need to come back to the bible , just to answer the question of the Palistines…..the non Jews…..which revert back to Abraham and the Promise….,

sorry, for the spelling……

The problem as I see it now, is time.

Over 90% of the “Palestinians” that want the land of Israel back were NOT BORN THERE.
Like it or not, that’s a fact.

Israel was given an area of land, rightly or wrongly, that’s a fact.

Israel used war to modify its borders to a defensible size: That again is a fact.

After the amount of time that has passed, should it be argued that Israel has no right to exist?
Should it be argued that it should be forced to return to indefensible borders?
I, personally, have no ax to grind. Let’s hear rational debate, but reasoned debate.

Not statements like Israel has no right to their currently occupied land….without any explanation as to why or why not.
Opinions are a dime a dozen, even on good days, unless there is reason and cause.

Wasn’t the 1947 agreement…..to have Both occupy the ground…just asking….

start with this
The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a minority Jewish population (around 3–5% of the total). It read:

then who’s name is on the idea…..
The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom’s Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist

see any problems………with a Rothschild appeasement….then tie, what sect of jewry is a rothschild(made up name from the house of roth/red)

This is not rocket science………….lol

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On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews, allowing for the formation of the Jewish state of Israel.

BOTH AGREEMENTS>>>…call for BOTH ARAB AND JEW……….wonder why the Arabs are ticked.

I guess I don’t understand.
You mention the Balfour agreement about partitioning Palestine between the Arabs and the Jews, and then seem to believe the Jews were given all of Palestine. They weren’t. Palestine was partitioned. Parts of Palestine are Arab controlled. Parts are even now in Lebanon.
Is your beef that Jews got any part of Palestine?

CFS>>>>>>I DO NOT HAVE A BEEF……..I just posted the facts……You do not have a clear understanding being a Professor , of History nor religion, ………JMO

You are surely an intelligent individual.
Sorry, for being anyway disrespectful ………Best to you for sharing you thoughts.

CFS:

You say, “Parts of Palestine are Arab controlled.”

Which parts would that be?

One thing that deserves mentioning is how everything hit a fever pitch blow-off top in Novemeber of 2017 where the Millennials went home for the Thanksgiving holiday and patted themselves on the back for the out-sized gains, and got the rest of their siblings, parents, uncles/aunts, cousins etc… interested in jumping on the rocket ship to the moon. That is precisely when we saw epic spikes in the number of new accounts being opened up on Crypto exchanges, and marked the intermediate top (introducing a new group of speculators to what it was like to become bagholders).

Goldfinger posted an interesting stat recently on ceo that illustrates just how epic the Thanksgiving Holiday was for the exchanges….

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@Goldfinger – “90% of Coinbase accounts were opened after Thanksgiving 2017 – R.I.P.”

@Goldfinger – “$Bitcoin shorts are piling on, this is getting ripe for a violent short squeeze:”

http://cdn.ceo.ca/1dc1nk1-E043DDD1-93BB-44CB-A1D6-F436E39E328F.jpeg

Hi Shad:
The topping in Bitcoin was “classic”
Seasoned Professionals taking money from excited amateurs.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-30/bitcoin-headed-zero-nsa-plan-plays-out

JohnK – Agreed, and most could see the pin coming to meet the balloon from a mile away.

(Except of course all that new speculative money piling in at the end of 2017 without doing any research or even understanding what they were investing in).

It wasn’t the first time we’ve seen such a phenomenon and won’t be the last.

Is that what they call “ripping the muppets’ faces off?”

Here is an interesting perspective from a contributor at ceo.ca about how the negative sentiment building could be building the base for the next run higher in Bitcoin. It coincides with the chart that Goldfinger had put up (it’s posted up above in this thread).
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@bedrag – “@Goldfinger good point about the Shorts in bitcoin. I think they will try to take it under 6k, as a 5.x print would scare the living daylights out of all the buyers who only bought in in past 3 months. All we need at that point is someone like Gartman coming out and saying he’s short Bitcoin, lol! Then I expect something like a 2000 point reversal day and a new Bull is born…..”

Current daily price for Bitcoin (BTC) just dove down from $6476 and shot up vertically to $6782 in the last 30 minutes.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BTC-USD?ltr=1

Technically Bitcoin put in a lower low today at $6464 than the previous low of $6937, but maybe all the family discussion around the Easter table is generating new interest in the cryptos again allow them to resurrect pricing; similar to what happened at the Thanksgiving table in Nov 2017.

EX:

Bitcon is nothing more than electronic Monopoly money. At last count there were 1696 lookalikes. There is no “there” there. They are all going to zero. It was the world biggest bubble and fraud and it’s not even going to slow down on the way to zero.

EX….thanks for the follow up on the…talks at BMO>>>ect….

Hi Bob M. – You could be right about that, and there definitely waaaaaaaay too many altcoins and even Bitcoin forks for them to use the scarcity argument. There is no doubt it has been in a bubble, and thankfully much of the hot air leaked out from that bubble since the end of last year. Bitcoin is down 65% from it’s peak for example.

Having said that, the concept of cryptocurrencies does seem significant enough to have a few of these evolve and survive. The crypto bubble has made such an impact on the global financial stage, that something similar will persist, but what that is and how it is valued remains to be seen. Most of the value is in the technology and disseminated computing power needed to solve the complex math code to verify transactions on the ledger, but definitely not in the scarcity argument.

As stated above, it is a positive that there are more younger investors questioning the meaning and assumptions of what “Money” is, and that they are starting to notice the giant debt bubbles on most nations balance sheets, and the challenges this may cause fiat currencies down the road.

The other positive could end up being that a percentage of the those crypto speculators looking for that kind of volatility may end up discovering the resource sector and bring some much needed new money flows into mining and energy stocks.

Cheers!

Thank OOTB.

It would be nice to see some crypto fanatics discover the PMs and commodity space.

We’re all familiar with how ethnicity of perpetrators is left unmentioned with many problems in Europe related to refugees. Not surprising, then, that the same is done in the US.

See table 42

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf

I wonder how the stats here would compare to the offenses of the KKK. That’s reasonable to ask, isn’t it?

Why is the media fomenting false concepts of who is committing offenses against who, fomenting hatred against whites, in cahoots with many academics? Is South Africa what one gets for acceding to change with hopes for a better future?

If that article is correct, then about 1 in 57 white South Africans has been murdered…

Very disturbing stats, and it is amazing there is not more news coverage of what is going on in South Africa. Instead we have countless news stories of “safe spaces” on college campuses, or people whining because they felt offended by what someone said that was mean and they are a victim of microaggressions. Yet there are tens of thousands of real victims in S.A. and people turn a blind eye to it. Amazing.

The *mass media* turns a blind eye to it.

Just as they mislead us on so much else that is vital to our interests.