Dr. Paul’s view on pacifism.
i would agree.
CFS, you have a long distorted memory and your claim that RP’s “position has often been dictated by economics and cost, in my opinion; less than in doing what is best for the US (and world)” is embarrassingly ignorant.
Problem is more in using language like “what is best for the US”; a dozen people will have a dozen different opinions on how to define that. The beauty in Ron Paul’s message and track-record is he talks about things that are much more objective.
Hi Starfish, Nice to have you with us. I happen, by the way, to agree with you.
Exactly right, Starfish. Ron Paul’s views make a victim out no one while the same can’t be said of the views of the typical politician on the left or the so-called right.
“Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.”
— H. L. Mencken
H.L. made a very astute statement.
A few more good ones:
“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”
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“Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.”
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“It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.”
— H. L. Mencken
Another great quote from H.L.
“…less than in doing what is best for the US (and world)”
That is so ill defined and vague that it is meaningless. It is simply pablum that special interests like the neocons use to justify their crimes.
I don’t, however, agree completely that his opinions are dictated by economics because they are clearly dictated by the Constitution.
Our book club just finished reading “Killing England” and a fair amount was dedicated to the framers of the Constitution and the philosophy that went into it creation.
I take a lot if not most of The Bible somewhat literally; however, in the case of the Constitution, I think that there is a bit of interpretation. The Second Amendment is a good example of that. There is a big difference between muskets and protecting oneself and fully automatic weapons in the hands of unstable people`
CFS:
You mean such as the vacuums we created in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in Somalia, in the Sudan and we are trying to create in Iran? Are those the success stories you have in mind?
When in life you determine you are on the wrong course, change course.
We are clearly on the wrong course.
If America has a duty to humanity it is to return to normalcy, if there is such a word in the dictionary. America must forget about foreign politics and pursue their own private affairs of re-establishing the world of business without government interference.
Enough said, time for me to go out for a walk. DT
Mr. T. at least in my mind your point is very well taken. I say that because leading by example is far and away the most effective way to lead. Don’t you agree?
America has tried it all, from The League Of Nations to political idealism. Now they must return to what had made them great. A country with untold energy, enthusiasm, and a resolve to leave The Europeans out of their policy making decisions. Europe has been very bad for the modern world, conflict and war is the legacy they have imparted to The United States. DT
he Treasury Department, which includes the IRS, will send home more than 83 percent of its 88,268 workers.
Have them start looking into who stole the $21Trillion……
Can you provide a source on that OOTB?
solari report……C A FItts
[CAF Note: The Solari Report is pleased to present the first report in a new series that we have commissioned on U.S. Constitutional and legislative provisions that relate to the enforcement of federal financial laws. The existing levels of $21 trillion of undocumentable adjustments in federal accounts (and counting) have surpassed official levels of outstanding U.S. debt. This underscores the importance of the enforcement of financial laws for our mutual global future. Consequently, this series is open to the public.]
Thanks OOTB, my question is one of relevance considering the brief timespan.
Fitts…….had an interview with usawatchdog also………..concerning the same info
Here is some more…..The $21 Trillion missing is only Two agencies……There is MORE MISSING MONEY………start at about 25 min mark….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgEQ8R2MoYQ
The amount of missing money is over $50 Trillion, …according to Fitts. This includes money missing from mortgage fraud from HUD, thanks FRANK & DODD
Securities and Exchange Commission
Operations at the Securities and Exchange Commission are set to be sharply curtailed.
Despite collecting fees from participants in the markets it regulates, Wall Street’s main regulator will shrink its staff to about 300 employees from almost 4,600, according to an agency plan posted in December.
The SEC plans to keep operating its Edgar corporate-filing system. But it won’t approve registrations for investment advisers, issue interpretive guidance, or review many pending applications or registrations for new financial products.
The commission will continue to deal with emergency enforcement actions like temporary restraining orders against accused market cheats. And it will continue to monitor its system for tips, complaints and referrals and operate its information systems, according to the plan.
THese guys need some time off, ………maybe gold will go up…..lol
Even a broken clock, OOTB!
The only reason for a Company to complete a Registration Statement is that if the Statement does not go “no comment” the Company will not be able to list the stock on a U.S. Exchange.
Wow, I guess that means the COMEX will be totally unregulated.
I guess that means there might be be tonnes of paper gold or silver sold just before a settlement day to bring down prices..
Heck , they have been totally unregulated for years……what’s new……..
CFTC, has been a joke and will remain so, until they get some jail time.
I mean a source other than Zero Hedge.
which one are you questioning………
Uplifting for gold bugs…….Rickards
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-19/next-great-bull-market-gold-has-begun-ricka
Talk about talking your own book!
OWL……..info you requested is above …..with some extra from usawatchdog….
just in case you missed it.
https://usawatchdog.com/21-trillion-missing-u-s-government-a-criminal-enterprise-catherine-austin-fitts/
catch up with you later……getting ready to go out ……..
Hey Jerry, where you going? I’m guessing out for some fine dining.
I have to say Eddy that we did. We split a great boneless ribeye (32 ounces); I had a great Vodka dry martini; and a couple of glasses of marginal Cabernet. We also had a great political discuss with our friends up here.
All in all a good night.
Sounds like a lot of beef to carry around for a week, ….. 🙂
Hi Ebo, thanks for asking…..just went out for a light semi dining experience, at Seasons 52, had the Grilled Meat Loaf and a Guinness Stout…, not something I would typically order but, I thought it would be a good change up.
My wife is an excellent cook, so dining out is usually not a big deal, usually a let down,
when compared to her beef wellington and lobster bisque. Us retirees must conserve our resources for out trips to Florida…… 🙂
Dang, you boys live high on the hog…at least compare to me…all I had was a Swanson TV dinner and some ice water…
Talking about hogs……my daughter had truffles on her Mac and cheese,…….I told her that the truffles were most likely dug up by pigs, …needless to say, she didn’t finish the dish…. 🙂
Why am I not surprised!
Seasons 52? Never heard of it. Sounds fancy and too rich for my blood. Maybe I could afford Seasons 51 And A Half. 🙂
talking about 51 …….that is about the amount the deep state has stolen from the people
$51 TRILLION., ….
At that rate, we will be lucky to be eating Swanson and Water….
Common Eddy, you can’t be that lazy to eat Swanson’s! That action is simply impossible for a man of your intelligence!
Sorry about that, Mr. Big Al. I was pressed for time as I was trying to get some work done, plus I gotta admit it fit my budget, although I typically eat much healthier.
There was a write up on Ron Paul in December 2011 issue of the Atlantic.
Here is peroration:
“But the questions remain. If Ron Paul is so libertarian that he won’t even police people who use his name, if his movement is filled with incompetents and opportunists, then what kind of a president would he make? Would he even check in to see if his ideas are being implemented? Who would he appoint to Cabinet positions?
These are all legitimate questions. And the media is going to start asking them now. If there isn’t already a “ceiling” on Ron Paul’s support, widespread knowledge of the newsletters could build one quickly.”
This article originally appeared at Business Insider, an Atlanticpartner site.
Clearly that author and his editor thought Ron Paul to be a pacifist, so I (CFS) am not alone.
Dr. Paul’s organization is definitely not filled with “incompetents”
Atlantic is a leftwing mag. Maybe it is totally fake news. I certainly often disagree with their point of view.
Of course you are not alone in being duped by usual establishment mouthpieces. I’d say there are about 200 million Americans just like you and after the 2008 election, all you should have known better.
If your a believer in liberty you are a pacifist, which obviously RPaul is.
Too bad it doesnt exist.
b, I suppose that you could look at it that way. But then again, I thought that he was pretty clear in his discussion with Daniel.
That’s nonsense b, and, as Al pointed out, RP was pretty clear about that.
To deny that self defense is right and moral is extremely foolish, to put it nicely.
Liberty is not being a pacifist?
Guess I shoulda listened to it before posting.
Wait a minute, what happened to turn the other cheek?
What sense does it make to turn the other cheek? The one that resorts to violence first deserves twice what he dishes out.
Government shut down apparently includes the donald:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/20/trump-government-shutdown-democrats-352223
Maybe I should send in my 2 cents. (After all that’s a week’s salary for him!)
So what is this secret report that shows a scandal worse than Watergate about? Just a load of bull from Republicans or has something really shocking been brought to light in it?
I guess we will never know as long as they keep it a secret – so much for democracy. Probably a bunch of politicians and journalists will know the dirt and 300 million other Americans will be kept in the dark?
BUK:
The secret is that Hillary Clinton, the DNC and the FBI paid for a fake report on Trump and the Russians including Trump peeing on hookers in Moscow to get a wire tap from the FISA court when they know the whole document was fake. It’s been reported for months and only now are the politicians admitting it was all true.
Any convictions from Mueller and his gang of thugs would get tossed out under the “fruit from a poisoned tree” theory.
Trump is a clueless fool but he got it dead right on this.
Freaking liars……protecting BUSH……I guess they do not want to see him hung for treason
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-20/nsa-sincerely-regrets-deleting-all-bush-era-surveillance-data-it-was-ordered
Jail time for all the NSA people would not be too much to ask at this juncture…….jmo
The “Bush dirty secret” and I don’t know whether he ordered it or whether it was rogue operatives, is that WITHOUT authorization the NSA have been monitoring and storing ALL ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION OF US CITIZENS FOR YEARS,
This behavior at least dates from 911 and even the liberal courts have stated it is in violation of the 4th amendment of the Constitution.
I have been monitoring storage of the NSA for decades.
My guestimate is they have arounf 5 zettabytes capability at the moment.
To give you some idea of how big that is:
1 zettabyte = 1000 exabytes
1 exabyte = 1000 petabytes
1 petabyte = 1000 terabytes
1 terabyte = 1000 gigabytes
1 gigabyte = 1000 megabytes
and 1 megabyte is about the size on an average novel.
And you thought blockchains took a lot of storage and electricity usage.
You folks do know the latest NSA data storage facility in Bluffdale, Utah is not measured in square feet like a normal building, but in Acres of floor space!
Don’t forget Gerald Ford appointed Bush I as Director of CIA back in 1976, so Bush knew pretty much what was going on.
Sorry Professor, It is a stretch for me to assume that today actions actually started that long ago.
If the agency is effective at all the size of the storage facility seems normal to me.
I will say after what I posted earlier today I am getting truly concerned. I guess that I shouldn’t be give the historical evolutions of most societies.
Any thoughts of what I just posted about my current concerns and my rationale?
Check out FItt article below….. 911 was part of the mortgage fraud cover up, that allowed the shadow govt, to steal over $21 trillion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgEQ8R2MoYQ
start about 25 min …..
Go all the way to the end…..and the AMOUNT is stated as $50 TRILLION
Wow, talk about Conspiracy Theory! But then again, nothing happening today surprises me!
Owl……not sure that it is conspiracy theory anymore…….some of the Facts are at hand.
Now that is interesting, Professor.
Congress needs to provide the Proof……
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-20/republicans-have-four-easy-ways-releasethememonot-doing-so-will-prove-them
Put up or Shut Up…….
So that’s that. All Americans, particularly conservatives, should ask every Republican making spectacular assertions about this memo when they will be using the above ways to conclusively demonstrate that everything they’ve said is based in rock-solid fact.
If they do not, Republicans will conclusively demonstrate something else.
They will prove conclusively that all of this is about them shamelessly making claims they do not actually believe, fraudulently posturing as caring about one of the most vital, fundamental issues facing the United States: how the U.S. government uses the vast surveillance powers with which it has been vested.
Govt Shut Down……..Under Clinton the govt was shut down for 21 days, and under Obama multiple days…..So, No big deal.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-20/now-government-has-shut-down-heres-what-actually-shuts-down
Why useful idiots believe what they believe.
Israel’s well-documented mistreatment of Palestinian youth is ignored in these reports, which suggests it is not Palestinian parents but Western reporters who are interested in crafting a public relations spectacle.
Bob, please provide sources other than Lob Log. Thanks
Al:
It’s the content that counts. They have written about facts, not opinions. Who cares who says it?
Would you prefer I post CNN?
…..OVER $21 trillion missing.
start about 25 min mark…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgEQ8R2MoYQ
Some of these funds went to the Clinton Foundation…
start about 30 min mark
Can you source that for us, OOTB?
Listen to the provided tape above…….
The Clinton info come at the end of the tape…….
Listen to some of Dr. Corsi comments about Obama and Hilly…
Dennis provided you with some info concerning “Q” the other day,
Q , is the insider leaking info to the public……
I can not believe no one is commenting
on this one…………This should be a
WAKE UP CALL…..!!!!!
The FISA memo will be released.
However, because it has to be sourced correctly from the Inspector General Report (1.2 million pages) this will take time. The IG Report also details the missing $21 Trillion.
Minimum time to release date of memo is about a month.
If Trump requests the the Senate to use the nuclear option to get a budget, I wonder how relevant the situation of McCain will be…..he’s the 51st Republican.
Paul Craig Roberts
It is exactly as I told you. Russiagate is a conspiracy between the FBI, the DOJ, and the Hillary campaign to overturn Donald Trump’s election. We have treason committed at the highest levels of the FBI and Department of Justice and the Democratic National Committee.
If you believed one word of Russiagate, you now must laugh or cry at your incredible gullibility.
This scandal should also bring down the presstitute media who have done the dirty work for the conspiracy against Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUAt4DsscXA&feature=youtu.be
Not sure this makes any dif, personally I still think he is owned by Israel.
If these allegations are proven, the whole cabal needs to pay as the very core of American morality was broken.
I personally believe as I posted on the record that it is true.
All the piece are there, concerning Mueller, HSBC, money laundering by the Clintons Obama, and Iran. Muslim Brotherhood….Go back and listen to Corsi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn-nsXSFkls
I have a long memory.
Ron Paul has changed his tune over the years.
I am in much more agreement with his position now stated.
Hitherto, however, his position has often been dictated by economics and cost, in my opinion; less than in doing what is best for the US (and world)
Like it or not, the U.S. became the world’s policeman (of sorts). A precipitous withdrawal from that position is difficult. The change should be done gradually, in order not to create vacuum-effect problems. I think Trump may withdraw at a good pace, but that’s yet to be demonstrated.