Lawful right to protest and prioritization of issues. Consider the NFL player protests.
Disagreeing with someone should not meant that person is your enemy!
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The barrier between races is certainly a mojor one Uglybut proud.
Ask not what your Country can do for you.
Ask where can you get some Bitcoin and do something for yourself.
RIGHT ON MAN! Got me some Litecoin and Ether too!
I certainly agree with you JohnK, everyone has to lookout for himself/herself. Buying bitcoin certainly does not hurt anyone else.
It would be easy to start debating the rights and wrongs in this issue. But it all strikes me as a big distraction, so I’ll resist.
Strikes me exactly the same way, GH!
In case you missed it, Trump has tweeted he accepted the compromise.
Compromise is take a knee first, but then stand during National Anthem.
…..Need to keep up, Big Al.
Every player has to kneel first? That is no solution! Could we have some Jewish players who don’t want to kneel or bow down to man made object? Same with JW.
Certainly cannot disagree jay.
I try my hardest CFS.
The compromise happened during Monday Night Football.
Maybe they should be booing the national anthem, the US is all about killing, ever consider “the rockets red glare”?
That was the battle of Chesapeake bay for anyone that didnt know.
Fitting, an anthem about war for a warlike nation.
Those were the English rockets…….attack on Old Glory……
a google search makes it sound like the french won the battle.
google is half with it………googles the mind…….
google is becoming more unreliable by the day………jmo
those rockets I bet were financed thru the Rothchildes ……
THE SONG….the Reason……
Thanks for the interesting link, OOTB
Dang……I forgot you were English…… 🙂
Appropriate clarification OOTB1 You actually beat me to it, speedy!
This is getting a bit out there b!
i have not watched Monday Night Football for years. Normally not a great forum if one wants to stay current.
Why is it national prominence? because its on tv.
if it wasnt nobody would hear a thing.
not that I agree with the way people are treated in the US.
People dont understand the message because the media doesnt tell them.
white people that is.
Having said that, black people in the US are treated a heck of alot better than people treated elsewhere.
At least 100s of thousands of black children are not being murdered daily by their military in the U.S.
Considering that, black people in the U.S. have it pretty good.
The US government is just plain bad, maybe some day people will say enough.
Maybe a few athletes “taking a knee” will help. Hope so.
That is part of the point that Dwight and I were trying to make. But then again, that would not be dramatic enough to sell advertising space or increase circulation. It would also cause folks to think instead of just emotionally react. But then again, that is not the media for the most part.
Times have changed in the last 50 years, despite the setback due to Obama’s hate of America.
The Afro-American population needs to be careful, because they can set things back further if they complain too much.
The fans booed yesterday at the standing and linking arms.
If Afro-American sports figures are so oppressed, how come many have become millionaires in the current system……does not look so much like oppression to me.
Yes, times have certainly changed. But the real point we were trying to make is for America to start listening and evaluating before increase the drama in our country.
I’ve wondered if Ken Burns’ documentaries are worth my time. John Pilger’s review of his new one on Vietnam satisfies me that the answer is ‘no’.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/22/the-killing-of-history/
Al, you commented that you were concerned about the declining esteem in which the US is held around the world. I had mentioned that it has gone downhill since 9/11.
Another factor is the internet; the time-frame of each roughly coincides. People have access to vastly more information than ever before in history, and it is becoming increasingly difficult to pass off false history as true. Of course, Americans remain more under the thrall of this propaganda, as it is self-gratifying for them. But of the intelligent and informed South Americans and Europeans that I meet, the large majority see through most of the US propaganda.
Have you read Kinzer’s “All the Shah’s Men”? It’s a good case study for comparing and contrasting the real history of US/Iran relations vs the general American conception of it. Abroad, far fewer who concern themselves with being informed are fooled.
Declining esteem is a major security issue. Which is more secure, to be feared, or to be loved? Which path is the US walking? Of course, America’s leaders are jeopardizing their peoples’ future, just as are the Israeli leasers.
GH:
I just read Pilger’s review and it seems to be somewhat nitpicking on terms used in the film like killing as opposed to murder. With that said, choose your own terms but do yourself a favor and watch the series. I’m doing so right now. It is part of our history and certainly not one of the best chapters. However, we should know all of it, don’t you think?
Of course, I spent time there in 1966 as a civilian and 1968 with the USArmy-1st Air Cav. Division so it means more to me as a participant (draftee) than to those who never went………Hopefully, no one will have to see anything like it ever again.
I certainly believe in studying history. But I don’t consider just any source to be worthwhile.
At this point I’ve studied enough to know that Burns lied that the US war on Vietnam “was begun in good faith by decent people out of fateful misunderstandings, American overconfidence and Cold War misunderstandings”. Unfortunately, most Americans don’t know that, probably most people in the Anglosphere don’t know it. So it’s a damn lie at that, as Burns perpetuates the lies that enable more slaughter.
This is not a statement ‘against our troops’, who were victims. It’s a statement against the leaders, and their real motives.
If you watch only one of the 10 episodes, make it the last one, particularly the explicit language online version.
There are a multitude of views as to how we got into that mess, and how it was conducted, but the way our South Vietnamese ‘allies’ were left high and dry by our increasingly evil U.S. Government was disgusting, and is clear warning to all others that this beast cannot be trusted now, and possibly never again.
Note that the “Pentagon Papers” (earlier episode?) were revealed only after the main culprit had left the White House.
Thanks for the personal review Silverdollar.
Thank you for having Dr. Moore and covering this subject.
Some thoughts: Perhaps trump has opened a can of worms and an argument that he can’t win except with the extreme republican base. How can this possibly help him in any effort he tries down the road? The man seems to stumble from one debacle to another and never looks back to survey what his actions have done.
Second thought: Why do we have the National Anthem at football games anyway? It’s not the 4th of July. There’s nothing patriotic about football. Why do we create these recipes that sometimes end up tasting like crap? JMO
Silverdollar, you make an extremely valuable comment asking the question: “Why do we even have the National Anthem at football games”
Why even play the National Anthem?
Because if wasn’t for brave men like my Grandfather,and my uncles there would be no KE Report.
Shame on you Silverdollar
Those that don’t stand for something will fall for anything.
JohnK, Please never think that I stand for nothing. I just want people to stop and think and to consider what they say.
Love is stronger that fear.
Concerning putting citizens of American ans Israel at greater risk is a comment that I definitely l agree with
GH:
Try again my friend.
Of course,Americans.NOT
Of course,SOME Americans,
Also I will add there is a reason for separation of Church and State.
Of course you’re right, some, not all. But when speaking in generalities, as some topics require, I figure that’s understood.
You figured wrong.
GH’s comment applies to about 90% of the population. From my standpoint, he thought right.
Good for you Mathew.
I think the US has been disliked/hated all over the world for a long time.
The internet allowed like minded people to see for themselves they are not alone in their beliefs.
To me, its just the americans that are truly deceived.
Europeans, Canadians, etc are every bit as deceived and probably more dangerous from a very big picture perspective. The cultural Marxism that these lefty regressives have swallowed is the foundation for a global tyranny that the world has never experienced.
There is no evil like ignorance.
B:
If someone could pull you off the Queens teat long enough to see that at every step of the way who the enablers were.
r.e. Europeans, Canadians, Matthew, I think you’re right. I meet a lot of Europeans in South America, but they’re no more representative than are American ex-pats.
I would agree, Matthew
I could have said that better I guess.
I agree, most western people are clueless.
Can not get the job done……
Introduced and stick handled in entirely the wrong way, Jerry!
I saw that earlier and I think that her action was overly dramatic.
Article from a few years back. Bottom line patriotism is good for business
The Flag and the Shield: The Long Alliance Between the NFL and US Military
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2029052-the-flag-and-the-shield-the-long-alliance-between-the-nfl-and-the-us-military
And as somebody else mentioned, a president telling employees of a private company that they are SOB and demanding they get fired over their political views is a bit out of line.
anthem good for business is true.
I think it was the “cubs” that started it.
Their stadium was pretty much empty, somebody got the idea to sing the anthem before their games, sure enough, ticket sales went thru the roof.
And looked at what it has evolved into!
More than a “bit out of line” AJ
Saw this opinion piece on the Intercept page. Thought it was worth reading:
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/25/colin-kaepernick-nfl-national-anthem-protest-donald-trump/
Bix….on Kaepernick….or kaeperker in your nickers…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLd9M569_5M&feature=youtu.be
I would agree with the theme of this article Silerdollar.
Meanwhile in Socialism Central……
It’s like playing chess,when the other side has checkers.
Turn off your T.V. Read a book.
Did that a long time ago JohnK!
I know Big Al.
Confessions of an Economic Hitman was great. Amazing the part “Debt Serfs” plays.
I finally received Beyond a Pale Horse and finished reading it.I felt Mr Cooper was a bit paranoid and misses the point that mortality and the elimination of conscious evil plays.
The next read is Collective Guilt. Studies in Emotion and Social interaction. I think this could explain a lot of what is happening here.
Any Hoo Big Al, How about giving us your three books that you would consider a must read. Always the best .
Hi John K,
I did not care much for the “Pale Horse” book. My number one pick right now in the area of non fiction is “A Crack in Creation” I say this not so much because of literary value, but because of the importance and relevance of the subject. Recent Book Club reads have been mostly fiction and I have to highly recommend “East of Eden” and “Cannery Row”
One of the most important books to me is also fiction called “The Covenant” because after reading it (a long, but captivating novel) one has a pretty good understanding of the situation in South Africa.
Pretty interesting statistics, but not surprising at all, CFS
Portugal offers conclusive evidence the war on drugs is counter-productive:
G.H :
Good Post.Now were getting close.
How many kilo’s of Black Tar Heroin loaded aboard a Communist Chinese freighter does it take to be elected to the U.S Senate?
LOL, I’m not sure, but I like the question.
GH, I do not believe that JohnK was asking a question, but making a statement.
Just trying to get you to use the left side of your brain.
Easy on to argue both ways. My inclinations is to agree that the “War on Drugs” is a bit of a failure.
Is a bit of a failure? For who?
A failure for those who instigated it and certainly a failure for drug addicts. By the way I have a great editorial scheduled regarding the Heroin epidemic in the U.S.
I fully agree it fails the addicts, but I wonder if it is a failure for the instigators.
Who benefits from the drug war? The instigators: drug dealers, law-enforcement, money-laundering banks, and corrupt politicians.
The US proved the inadvisability of prohibition almost a century ago. Why have we ignored so clear and recent a lesson?
I have asked myself that question probably 1000 times.
Stefan Molyneux on Race:
I do enjoy listening to this guy. Thanks for the link.
So far America still allows people who are not ruled by mob psychology to express themselves. Free speech can be choked off by different means. The mass media promotes a belief that any American citizen, who is really interested in social and political problems can preserve freedom of expression is to choose the mob that he sympathizes with and abides by their rules; however that eventually implies a totalitarian government. That is why we are seeing the condition whereby you are a super patriot or not. Kneel or not to kneel! DT
What part of our society is now being labelled as In-American! DT
Correction, In should be un-American
Probably the NFL protesters and I would disagree with that moniker.
Really D.T?
When was the last time you googled something? I suppose Americans are the only ones who google? Don’t think for moment that your search has not been directed by an algorithm not written by you.
You like to point out Americans but never dare to point out anything that would cast aspersions toward your beloved QUEEN.
Get out your rug D.T, you know what comes next.
Big Al likes to highlight problems in the U.S.
I have always felt his focus was a bit “Narrow”
Discussing problems usually results in solutions to those problems.
Aha!!!!
And this, Al, is why I always rail against the corporate media owned by you-know-who.
They have disabled our ability to have a reasonable, rational national dialogue, and that is why America has not solved a single one of its serious problems since…when???
I suppose that “mob psychology” does play a role in the NFL protest “irrelevant circus”!
GH,
Completely agree with your comment about disabling the ability to have a reasonable and rational national dialogue.
I was impressed by the Egyptian Al Sisi speech at the UN:
You anti-Israel folks (and you know who you are), ought to listen to his, Al Sisi’s, speech.
He clearly does not think that Israel is trying to take over the Middle East.
Cfs:
Now why would he want to mess up his foreign aid payments?
CFS:
What does that make me?
I would have to say that you are a pretty bright guy.
By the way, I really need to clarify my comment about the National Anthem at football games, etc. I personally cherish The National Anthem, but I feel that it should be highlighted at important events. Football; basketball; and, baseball important events? Common they are simply an excuse to drink copious amounts of beer. Every individual should be completely aware of that.
Remember when I pointed out it was your duty to vote and not your right?
Then you came back with ” As a practicing Jew?”
Duty, Honor, Country.
There is big money in Patriotism.
There is even bigger money in PITY.
The day after they burned the American Flag in the streets of Seattle,I painted the inside of my store,Red,White and Blue.
I put up a sign saying flag burners not welcome.
My best customer was a retired linebacker from the Detroit Lions.He didn’t seem to mind.
That is a very interesting speech, but I rather enjoyed the clip with the Australian news person and the Muslim representative.
I did try, CFS, but it was a real sleeper.
Ditto on JohnK’s statement, though.
Ignorant and arrogant athletes serving as communist tools for dividing and conquering our nation.
Not really sure if it is the “commies” but I would agree that we are extremely diided right now.
Remember when I pointed out it was your duty to vote and not your right?
Then you came back with ” As a practicing Jew?”
Duty, Honor, Country.
There is big money in Patriotism.
There is even bigger money in PITY.
The day after they burned the American Flag in the streets of Seattle,I painted the inside of my store,Red,White and Blue.
I put up a sign saying flag burners not welcome.
My best customer was a retired linebacker from the Detroit Lions.He didn’t seem to mind.
Duty to vote?
Sure dont matter for president, maybe a sheriff.
Voting for prez just tells tptb how many people still believe in the system.
As the corruption seems so entrenched, maybe its peoples duty not to vote.
b:
As a Canadian you are clueless.Day after day you expose to the rest of us your ignorance.
Just because some people are corruptible and corrupt doesn’t mean we have to follow their example.As a functioning society we accomplish this by voting.Hence it is your duty to vote.Voting, right or wrong ensures this.
The United States has been the leader of the free World and some of our elected leaders have abused this privilege.Nothing in life is completely perfect.We are all sinners and always will be.This does not mean we give up our faith.
Faith is grateful for what is,and believes the best is yet to come.All we really have is our faith.The rest is a gift from God.
Faith or not JohnK, your vote for prez is meaningless..
NOT understanding that is exposing ignorance.
b:
I know you feel lost with out your Atheist buddy BirdBrain.
It does matter when we vote for OUR President.It also matters when we vote for our Congressman.
Washington DC has been bought and paid for.We all know that. What is happening now is the awakening. Now people are realizing the people they voted for aren’t who they seem and their starting to let it be known.If they hadn’t voted they wouldn’t have cared.
I didn’t vote, but I care.
Tens of millions, if not more, vote, sing the Anthem hand on heart, and recite the Pledge, but are not informed and do not honor the Constitution. They think observing these gestures means they’re Patriots, but they’re not.
I’d rather see a Pledge of Allegiance to the Constitution than to the flag.
Many votes are meaningless. Putting a ‘none of the above’ option on ballots would do a lot to address that problem.
And frankly, a substantial portion of Americans shouldn’t vote, given they don’t know the most basic facts of history, politics, economics, geography, etc. A basic competency test for voter registration is worth considering.
John K,
Thanks for the inclusion of the last two sentences.
All we really have is our faith……….ditto
This is a much to do about nothing issue. No one is getting hurt and no one is going to die. Who cares if someone takes a knee. Way too much attention given by both Trump and the media on this issue.
Meanwhile, people are suffering in PR, and both NK and VZ are threatening war. Lives are actually at risk here.
PF:
I do and you should to.
Why aren’t they protesting the money changers at the Fed.
Why aren’t they protesting no one was jailed for mortgage fraud?
They really don’t care about Social injustice as long as their paycheck clears.
They are crying for PITY. Maybe they all should go to Wounded Knee and start there.
Perhaps I should say that this issue is far less important compared to PR and NK. Not that we shouldn’t care at all.
“They really don’t care about Social injustice as long as their paycheck clears.”
That is being too cynical!!!
Black lives matter protesting in the Washington Redskins stadium.
Really? Who’s being cynical?
I think we will see even more of these protests when the basketball season starts. Unlike NFL owners who are mostly conservative old white men, NBA owners are more diverse and generally more progressive so they will be more supportive if the players want to protest.
I would bet that if this thing does continue you will e proven to be absolutely correct.
I personally like Charles Barkley’s view on being a “role model” “i AM NOBODY’S ROLE MODEL”!
Telling it like he sees it!
Why dont they protest the fed?
Because they havnt got a clue about the fed.
And speaking of moneychangers, we could ask why the christians havnt been protesting the moneychangers for 2000 years?
Because they havnt got a clue,
I wouldnt doubt that the football players taking a knee are christian, at least they trying something.
Protests not backed by lead are impotent.
BDC:
Depends who’s pulling the trigger.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2013/05/04/may_4_1970_the_kent_state_university_shootings_told_through_pictures_photos.html
Years ago it was surmised that the instigation for that tragedy was a civilian clothed agent provocateur who fired the first a shot with his pistol. The students were obviously unarmed.
So your telling me this demonstration at Kent State was impotent?
The protest itself accomplished nothing, just as all the others before it.
The likely instigated provocation with tragic results was just what the media wanted.
I disagree. The Viet Nam War Protests changed the conscious mind of the public.
Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were giving amnesty to the draft dodgers.
Tell me they would have done this without the protests.
In order to win a war,you have to win it at home first.
Ford and Carter were post war — it was over (note my comment above re: episode 10).
“The times they were a-changin’…” when just 13 days prior to that media event “Earth Day” was consummated to re-direct the useful idiots into another anti-western civilization dead end. When Marxists co-opted the anti-war movement early on, all hope to avoid expansion of the war was lost — other than a few clear thinkers, patriotards could not overcome their preconditioned fear of the “commie” to actually go in and physically remove such from that righteous attempt to save America.
America is GONE — unless the evil U.S. Government can be eliminated, which will probably be never.
America is far from gone.
Architects and Engineers are exposing the Guilty with facts.
Things take time. The time has come.
The Internet is the Truth Machine. We are the truth.
Architects and Engineers were never needed for reasonable folks to acknowledge the obvious controlled demolition of WTC-7 — just average life experience and the guts to take down an evil justice department which did not immediately issue indictments to Larry Silverstein, Frank Lowy, et al.
Their domination of all primary and most secondary functions of the U.S. Government make it the most evil organized entity in existence — a threat to all others and to the continued existence of the human species as a whole.
BDC:
A&E is the organizational factor that is needed.University of Fairbanks has come out and said Bldg 7 is a sham.They will be releasing something soon ( I Hope) detailing how building 7 actually came down.
People from A&E are meeting with Congressional people as we speak. Nobody can deny this anymore.
Justice for the families of the victims of 9/11.
“A&E is the organizational factor that is needed.” — I absolutely agree, JohnK.
“Architects and Engineers were never needed for reasonable folks to acknowledge the obvious controlled demolition of WTC-7.” Some people have the strength of conviction to reach their own conclusions regarding such a momentous event; many do not, and need some leadership. We need all the allies we can get on this matter, and A&E are among the most important.
Save those A&E details for the court case.
Oh! That’s right! There will be no court case while the likes of Judge Hellerstein are in control
If the people on this blog want to protest the Fed then they should close all of their banking accounts. Otherwise, they are just enablers of the Fed.
They also shouldn’t be buying mining stocks that take bank loans in order to fund exploration and development costs.
PF:
Buy Crypto. What are you waiting for?
I agree 100% PF, kinda tuff to do tho.
I doubt if employers would pay in cash, I doubt if there is enough cash to do that.
tptb are too entrenched. Every way you can think of, including the religions.
JonK, buy cryptos?
Japan is talking about creating their own crypto to replace their cash.
hmmmm, a cashless society.
What was that about cashless societies and liberty?
That’s the scare factor b:
Governments can do what ever they want. I’m not getting in the boxcar.
My 2nd amendment right guarantees this.
b:
b:
I know you feel lost with out your Atheist buddy BirdBrain.
It does matter when we vote for OUR President.It also matters when we vote for our Congressman.
Washington DC has been bought and paid for.We all know that. What is happening now is the awakening. Now people are realizing the people they voted for aren’t who they seem and their starting to let it be known.If they hadn’t voted they wouldn’t have cared.
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You really dont have much of a clue do you John?
Everyone entitled to opinions.
Hope your right about people finally realizing they are deceived about voting.
I kinda doubt it tho, not in any meaningful numbers anyway.
b:
I have Children and Grandchildren. I looked at my Father and wondered we he never tried to do more given his position,but he to had bought into the Government Pablum.
We must never accept the defeatist attitude that one cannot effect change.
A Butterfly can start a Hurricane.
This is just more of the zionist that started the naacp, divide n conquer. They have have destroyed the black family with their communism.Using blacks as a tool. Now its war on the white man